The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
No, it's not and that is a very good thing. Congrats to all the winners and hopefully they will all work to make Berwyn a better place. I am happy to see that people voted their heart and not just party lines.
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know. I have lived here since 1988. As for Cicero I cannot speak. But this about Berwyn, isn't it and not Cicero.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know.
Given your politics, you must be utterly infuriated at this turn of events, then.
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know.
Given your politics, you must be utterly infuriated at this turn of events, then.
Go fuck yoursel. You are a race baiter of the most unkind and you know it. A horrible person who just wants to stir the pot in your favor. I, on the other hand, welcome all of the elected candidates to come together and make this town a better place.
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
... Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn...
When or where did I claim it was evidence of progressivism? Please point out where I said such a thing?
What I do think the victories demonstrate is that your thesis that Berwyn is a town full of white racists is incorrect.
Quote from: Ted on March 01, 2017, 03:14:14 AM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
... Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn...
When or where did I claim it was evidence of progressivism? Please point out where I said such a thing?
Your assurance that this wasn't my grandfather's Berwyn anymore, because more gays and Hispanics have roles in Berwyn politics.
Quote from: Ted on March 01, 2017, 03:14:14 AM
What I do think the victories demonstrate is that your thesis that Berwyn is a town full of white racists is incorrect.
I think when it comes to the schools, Berwyn is still full older whites who suddenly treat nickels like manhole covers, and who come out to vote. And I do think their antipathy toward nonwhite residents makes it easier for them to vote down any financial proposal.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know.
Given your politics, you must be utterly infuriated at this turn of events, then.
Go fuck yoursel. You are a race baiter of the most unkind and you know it. A horrible person who just wants to stir the pot in your favor. I, on the other hand, welcome all of the elected candidates to come together and make this town a better place.
Your immature language is your business, but talking about race is not the same thing as "race baiting." Are you truly convinced that Berwyn residents routinely vote down school-finance initiatives because of "economics"?
Quote from: markberwyn on March 01, 2017, 05:54:30 AM
Your assurance that this wasn't my grandfather's Berwyn anymore, because more gays and Hispanics have roles in Berwyn politics.
Why would you assume that? I never said anything about progressive politics, did I? I was referring to your comment and belief that Berwyn is full of white racists.
Quote from: Ted on March 01, 2017, 07:10:23 AM
Quote from: markberwyn on March 01, 2017, 05:54:30 AM
Your assurance that this wasn't my grandfather's Berwyn anymore, because more gays and Hispanics have roles in Berwyn politics.
Why would you assume that? I never said anything about progressive politics, did I? I was referring to your comment and belief that Berwyn is full of white racists.
OK, Ted, OK. Berwyn isn't racist, and isn't progressive. Got it.
Quote from: markberwyn on March 01, 2017, 06:14:44 AM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know.
Given your politics, you must be utterly infuriated at this turn of events, then.
Go fuck yoursel. You are a race baiter of the most unkind and you know it. A horrible person who just wants to stir the pot in your favor. I, on the other hand, welcome all of the elected candidates to come together and make this town a better place.
Your immature language is your business, but talking about race is not the same thing as "race baiting." Are you truly convinced that Berwyn residents routinely vote down school-finance initiatives because of "economics"?
My experience has been that for many older residents, school finance IS an economic decision, especially given the inefficiency of the respective school systems.
I think the bigger issue is that the DCOB won only seven of fifteen contested seats. That has to be an eye opener.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 09:28:17 AM
Quote from: markberwyn on March 01, 2017, 06:14:44 AM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 11:31:18 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on February 28, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: markberwyn on February 28, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ted on February 28, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
The election results are in.
Mayor Robert Lovero won election as the Democratic mayoral candidate.
Marge Paul won the election for Democratic candidate for City Clerk over incumbent Tom Pavlik.
Cynthia Guttierrez won election for Democratic candidate for City Treasurer, defeating incumbent Joe Kroc.
Scott Lennon won the open seat in the first ward defeating Larry Disch.
Jose Ramirez won the Democratic nomination in the 2nd ward, defeating incumbent Jeff Boyajian.
Jeannine Reardon won the Democratic nomination in the 3rd ward in an open seat, defeating Richard Leja and Kevin Pechous
Robert Fejt won the Democratic nomination in the 4th ward.
Cesar Santoy won the Democratic nomination in the 5th ward.
Alicia Ruiz won the Democratic nomination in the 6th ward.
Ralph Avila won the Democratic nomination in the 7th ward.
Eddie Garcia won the Democratic nomination in the 8th ward, defeating incumbent Nora Laureto.
3 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Clerk's job will be held by openly gay people.
And, 5 of the 8 aldermanic seats and the City Treasurers job will be held by Hispanic people.
MarkBerwyn, please take note. This is not your grandfather's Berwyn any more.
That's super, if so. I'd be interested to see if that same enthusiasm emerges when it comes to supporting the schools. Supporting gay and Hispanic candidates, in itself, isn't evidence of progressivism in Berwyn and Cicero; remember Michael Iniquez?
Supporting gay and hispanic candidates is very much evidence of progessivism in Berwyn I do know.
Given your politics, you must be utterly infuriated at this turn of events, then.
Go fuck yoursel. You are a race baiter of the most unkind and you know it. A horrible person who just wants to stir the pot in your favor. I, on the other hand, welcome all of the elected candidates to come together and make this town a better place.
Your immature language is your business, but talking about race is not the same thing as "race baiting." Are you truly convinced that Berwyn residents routinely vote down school-finance initiatives because of "economics"?
My experience has been that for many older residents, school finance IS an economic decision, especially given the inefficiency of the respective school systems.
Yup. Inefficient now, not inefficient at all when they were growing up in Berwyn.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
I think the bigger issue is that the DCOB won only seven of fifteen contested seats. That has to be an eye opener.
Especially with 4 DCOB incumbents losing. Tom Pavlik lost to Marge Paul; Joe Kroc lost to Cynthia Gutierrez; Jeff Boyajian lost to Jose Ramirez; and Nora Laureto lost to Eddie Garcia.
I thought beating incumbents would have been an uphill battle.
Usually it is Ted.
I don't know the parties in the treasurers race but Kroc lost handily, which was probably the biggest surprise...not necessarily that he lost but the margin.
Marge Paul is a force in Berwyn politics, she's developed quite a good name for herself. I knew that one was going to be close. And it was. Looks like BU took a gamble pulling her out of the third to try and snatch the clerks position, and it worked.
By a similar token, Jose is very well known, visible and respected in the community as a businessman. His good showing is not entirely a surprise, although I suspected the 2nd would have been a tad closer. Jeff Boyajian is a gentleman and a class act. Just his bad luck that he came across an unusually strong candidate.
Nora losing isn't all that surprising. If memory serves me correctly, she had a very close call in a previous election as well...I think by two votes or something like that.
Its also interesting to note that Santoy and Avila won rather handily. That has to bode well for the DCOB. The margins there were huge.
That wasn't the case for Scott Lennon though, barely got past Disch in the 1st. The 1st has traditionally been a more progressive ward.
Lost in all of this might be Fejts resounding win as well. Looks like Bob has built quite a following in his ward.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 11:17:49 AM
Usually it is Ted.
I don't know the parties in the treasurers race but Kroc lost handily, which was probably the biggest surprise...not necessarily that he lost but the margin.
Marge Paul is a force in Berwyn politics, she's developed quite a good name for herself. I knew that one was going to be close. And it was. Looks like BU took a gamble pulling her out of the third to try and snatch the clerks position, and it worked.
By a similar token, Jose is very well known, visible and respected in the community as a businessman. His good showing is not entirely a surprise, although I suspected the 2nd would have been a tad closer. Jeff Boyajian is a gentleman and a class act. Just his bad luck that he came across an unusually strong candidate.
Nora losing isn't all that surprising. If memory serves me correctly, she had a very close call in a previous election as well...I think by two votes or something like that.
Its also interesting to note that Santoy and Avila won rather handily. That has to bode well for the DCOB. The margins there were huge.
That wasn't the case for Scott Lennon though, barely got past Disch in the 1st. The 1st has traditionally been a more progressive ward.
Lost in all of this might be Fejts resounding win as well. Looks like Bob has built quite a following in his ward.
I think the bigger take away from this is the Latino vote. In 3 of the cases where an incumbent lost, a Latino defeated a white incumbent (Gutierrez defeating Kroc in the treasurer's race; Ramirez defeating Boyajian in the 2nd ward and Garcia defeating Laureto in the 8th ward). In the 5th and 7th ward races, the Latino incumbent won handily. The only person to buck the trend was Bob Fejt.
I also agree that Marge proved she has a large following through out Berwyn. There has been some chatter on Facebook that if Lovero steps aside in 2021, you could see a mayoral race between Marge Paul and Scott Lennon - gay versus gay.
Marge would have been a stronger candidate for the BU, but I can understand why she didn't run.
I highly doubt we'll see a Paul vs. Lennon race next time around. I think we're more likely to see a Latino candidate or two in the fight.
This election was somewhat reminiscent of 2001
Quote from: Ted on March 01, 2017, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
I think the bigger issue is that the DCOB won only seven of fifteen contested seats. That has to be an eye opener.
Especially with 4 DCOB incumbents losing. Tom Pavlik lost to Marge Paul; Joe Kroc lost to Cynthia Gutierrez; Jeff Boyajian lost to Jose Ramirez; and Nora Laureto lost to Eddie Garcia.
I thought beating incumbents would have been an uphill battle.
Well, according to one local expert "we didn't lose much, Bobby still is the tie breaker".
If you're utilizing that type of logic, maybe, but I highly doubt Lovero wants to be in that spot, nor that its the most accurate barometer.
I would imagine losing eight out of the fifteen city wide contested slots (also encompassing the clerk, treasurer and one additional aldermanic seats) is not exactly a win, but hey, this is Berwyn logic we're talking about here...
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 05:17:43 PM
Well, according to one local expert "we didn't lose much, Bobby still is the tie breaker".
The DCOB shouldn't count their chickens before they're hatched. Berwyn United is going to put up a fierce battle in the 6th ward in April to get a write-in candidate elected over Ruiz. If that effort succeeds, then there will be 5 BU alderman, not 4.
Ted,
I never really considered that possibility.
Now that I think of it, that may be an utter catastrophe.....a lame duck mayor without control of his city council. Not sure if that's the ideal scenario either. That may be four years of utter dysfunction.
What struck me odd about the above quoted statement though was
1) The peculiar math this individual utilized in concluding "we didn't lose anything", and
2) Why he thinks a deadlocked city council and township board is a good thing, especially in this town.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
This election was somewhat reminiscent of 2001
I agree. I had been thinking the same thing.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 12:21:27 AM
2) Why he thinks a deadlocked city council and township board is a good thing, especially in this town.
The Township board may not be deadlocked. Provisional, mail in and absentee votes are still being counted and the race for the last Township Trustee position has tightened up - there is now only a 7 vote difference between Brenda Patterson (12.35% of the vote) and Barbara Bossany (12.32% of vote).
It will be 3 weeks until all the mail in votes are counted. From looking at the other races, it looks like the BU winners' leads have widened with the counting of the provisional and mail in ballots. It may portend things to come.
If Bossany does come from behind, then 3 of the 4 township trustees will be Berwyn United candidates.
Then I'm not sure how the Township Board will function either.
In most cases such a check and balance split would be seen in a positive light, but I'm not so sure that's the case here.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 05:17:43 PM
Well, according to one local expert "we didn't lose much, Bobby still is the tie breaker".
Who told you they didn't lose much? Shit, even the mayor alluded to the losses, saying it was a bittersweet victory!
It is true that in a deadlock, the mayor is the tiebreaker, though.
Quote from: Ted on March 01, 2017, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 05:17:43 PM
Well, according to one local expert "we didn't lose much, Bobby still is the tie breaker".
The DCOB shouldn't count their chickens before they're hatched. Berwyn United is going to put up a fierce battle in the 6th ward in April to get a write-in candidate elected over Ruiz. If that effort succeeds, then there will be 5 BU alderman, not 4.
Yup. It should be interesting to see if they can rustle up enough people to do that. Alicia got 479 of 625 ballots cast in her ward, though it's easy for the lazy voter to simply draw that line.
Ted - another thought on likelihood of Marge running for mayor: She'd be giving up a sweet, well-paying position for one that not only pays less, but has 10X the stress!
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 12:59:39 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 01, 2017, 05:17:43 PM
Well, according to one local expert "we didn't lose much, Bobby still is the tie breaker".
Who told you they didn't lose much? Shit, even the mayor alluded to the losses, saying it was a bittersweet victory!
It is true that in a deadlock, the mayor is the tiebreaker, though.
I didn't know the man, but I've seen him around. I think he's a city employee, but not certain.
With respect to the tie breaker, that's an awful spot for Lovero to be in, even in a lame duck term.
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
I may have missed something?when is the election for the assessor? I think the DCOB sat back and didn't expect the lousyears passed proved that if no effort you loose.
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
I'm guessing no more a rubber stamp than the previous #8.....
Quote from: berwyn senator on March 02, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
I may have missed something?when is the election for the assessor? I think the DCOB sat back and didn't expect the lousyears passed proved that if no effort you loose.
I'm pretty sure the DCOB knew it was in for a dogfight this time around...except for maybe a select few who were expecting people to "crawl back into their holes" after the election.
Looks like it didn't quite work out that way.
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
Why would that be?
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
I'm guessing no more a rubber stamp than the previous #8.....
The previous #8 didn't vote on them, just like the present #4 and previous #6.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
Why would that be?
He's a big union guy. I'm curious if the times Marge voted no, would he have as well.
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
Why would that be?
He's a big union guy. I'm curious if the times Marge voted no, would he have as well.
He's a union painter.
NOT a unionized city worker.
Nor do I believe he has any family on the city payroll.
Can't possibly be any worse than what you had before in #8.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 04:26:33 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
I'm interested to see how the new #8 is regarding city workers' contracts.
Why would that be?
He's a big union guy. I'm curious if the times Marge voted no, would he have as well.
He's a union painter.
NOT a unionized city worker.
Nor do I believe he has any family on the city payroll.
Can't possibly be any worse than what you had before in #8.
Union folks tend to support union folks, and I'm not comparing him to #8.
I am.
If you weren't concerned about your previous #8 with xxxxx family members on the unionized city payroll then I'm not sure about how/why you would be concerned about the new #8.
Odd.
Btw, I didn't earlier mean to intimate that the previous #8 had done a bad job, just that the new #8 couldn't possibly be any worse if your concern is union issues.
Imo, there's a massive difference between public and private sector unions.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 04:50:41 PM
If you weren't concerned about your previous #8 with xxxxx family members on the unionized city payroll then I'm not sure about how/why you would be concerned about the new #8.
No concern, just curiosity (and certainly no more concern than I would have for #4 or previous #6).
I understand the private/public sector thing, yet unions still tend to support each others' causes, for the most part. I would be shocked if a union person such as Edgar supported privatization.
Seeing as he's your new alderman, I think maybe you should go talk to him in person.
Isn't that the stock Berwyn answer?
;D
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:05:03 PM
Seeing as he's your new alderman, I think maybe you should go talk to him in person.
Isn't that the stock Berwyn answer?
;D
Ha!
I had him over for a few hours, he said doesn't know her (Marge's) motivations, but promised not to be a rubber stamp to Teddy if he won. Of course, we'll never know, now.
More important than any contract/tax/gambling/staffing issues - he had great decorating advice!
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:05:03 PM
Seeing as he's your new alderman, I think maybe you should go talk to him in person.
Isn't that the stock Berwyn answer?
;D
Ha!
I had him over for a few hours, he said doesn't know her (Marge's) motivations, but promised not to be a rubber stamp to Teddy if he won. Of course, we'll never know, now.
You should have asked him if he'd be a rubber stamp to Bobby!
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 01:23:26 PM
Ted - another thought on likelihood of Marge running for mayor: She'd be giving up a sweet, well-paying position for one that not only pays less, but has 10X the stress!
I agree.
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:05:03 PM
Seeing as he's your new alderman, I think maybe you should go talk to him in person.
Isn't that the stock Berwyn answer?
;D
Ha!
I had him over for a few hours, he said doesn't know her (Marge's) motivations, but promised not to be a rubber stamp to Teddy if he won. Of course, we'll never know, now.
Marge's motivations???
Quote from: berwyn senator on March 02, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
I may have missed something?when is the election for the assessor? I think the DCOB sat back and didn't expect the lousyears passed proved that if no effort you loose.
The man that the Berwyn United group had put up for assessor did not meet the qualifications. Therefore, since David Avila did not have any opponents, his name did not appear on the primary ballot. His name will be on the ballot in the general election on April 4.
Also, Al Kveton filed a petition to appear on the ballot as an unaffiliated candidate but his petition was challenged and the local electoral board removed him from the April ballot. Al is appealing the decision and fighting it in court.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
You should have asked him if he'd be a rubber stamp to Bobby!
That statement (not being a rubber stamp) is something Scott Lennon was telling people during the campaign. I thought that was interesting of him to say that.
I didn't even recognize Al last time I saw him! It took a couple minutes of him talking to figure out who he was.
Quote from: Ted on March 02, 2017, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
You should have asked him if he'd be a rubber stamp to Bobby!
That statement (not being a rubber stamp) is something Scott Lennon was telling people during the campaign. I thought that was interesting of him to say that.
Who's rubber stamping whom?
I would support Al,great person!
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 01:23:26 PM
Ted - another thought on likelihood of Marge running for mayor: She'd be giving up a sweet, well-paying position for one that not only pays less, but has 10X the stress!
I highly doubt she has money on her mind. If she did, she would have likely just stayed where she was as alderman of the 2nd Ward and not left it for a question mark. Perhaps she is one of those rare few who actually are in it for public service. A guess that is actually an anomaly in these times.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on March 02, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2017, 01:23:26 PM
Ted - another thought on likelihood of Marge running for mayor: She'd be giving up a sweet, well-paying position for one that not only pays less, but has 10X the stress!
I highly doubt she has money on her mind. If she did, she would have likely just stayed where she was as alderman of the 2nd Ward and not left it for a question mark.
Alderman pays only $12K, and has the stress of the entire ward, phone ringing of the hook, and people pissed that you're not responding. Not the pressure of mayor, but not fun if you care about doing a good job.
She was done with the thankless crap, wasn't up for mayoral slot, yet still ran for a position which has an impact on operations.
Ted,
I think the comparison made by Bonster was between the Mayoral and Clerk positions, not between the aldermanic and clerk positions.
Quote from: Ted on March 02, 2017, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
You should have asked him if he'd be a rubber stamp to Bobby!
That statement (not being a rubber stamp) is something Scott Lennon was telling people during the campaign. I thought that was interesting of him to say that.
Who was Mr. Lennon referencing?
Quote from: The Jackal on March 03, 2017, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: Ted on March 02, 2017, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: The Jackal on March 02, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
You should have asked him if he'd be a rubber stamp to Bobby!
That statement (not being a rubber stamp) is something Scott Lennon was telling people during the campaign. I thought that was interesting of him to say that.
Who was Mr. Lennon referencing?
That he would not be a rubber stamp for the administration.
Who is "he"?
Oh, I see.
Why would his independence be an issue at this point?
He seems like a fairly independent, progressive guy. I'm pretty sure he won't vote lockstep with anyone.
Quote from: The Jackal on March 04, 2017, 08:56:30 AM
Oh, I see.
Why would his independence be an issue at this point?
He seems like a fairly independent, progressive guy. I'm pretty sure he won't vote lockstep with anyone.
He is a supporter of Lovero so he was re-assuring voters that he wouldn't vote in lockstep with the mayor on all issues.