A couple of reasons I'm attending Council mtgs. tomorrow...

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Count DMC

#40
April 25, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
The appointment was shot down, now comes word that the Fat Man is trying to appoint the ghost of Ben Brocato to refill his seat. This guy is priceless.
Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this CITY isn't there?

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany than the Berwyn City Council.

~LL~

#41
April 25, 2007, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on April 25, 2007, 11:37:18 AM
It's awful quiet out there?  Was it that bad?

The meeting was actually fairly uneventful.  Ms.Brocato will not be assuming her husband's duties...I think -- but, that was as of last night.  More later.
If you are not part of the solution -- you are part of the problem.

Bonster

#42
April 25, 2007, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: LL-Schmidt on April 25, 2007, 11:50:02 AM
Ms.Brocato will not be assuming her husband's duties...I think -- but, that was as of last night.  More later.

Whoa!  The meeting is still going on!?!
   ... "Shit ton of beer being served here soon!"

OakParkSpartan

#43
April 25, 2007, 12:31:30 PM
Sedgewick monies approved.

SuperBlock agreement approved (the rumors by naysayers appear to be false).

Fifth ward seat remains open.

Library board appointments stand.

Best line of the night: Ald. Phelen was grumping about bids to fix the bank roof...after the approval of the agreement, the bids were moot (bids are typically sent out of the room to be opened right at the very start, so they can overlap, as they did last night), so someone made a motion to refer them to COW, where they would basically be left to die...Ald. Phelen continues to grump.  Ald. Lovero turns to him and says "What do you want us to do, throw them under the desk?".  Was rather funny at the time.

Cheers,
Brian
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

MOMAS2

#44
April 25, 2007, 12:48:28 PM
Brian,

You obviously didn't get it like everyone else.  I think Phelan was frustrated for two reasons.  First of all, the bids were solicited so the city would know what the costs would be.  Nothing more, nothing less.  The city wasn't intending to do anything with them.  Secondly, they were worthless.  If I remember correctly, one contractor bid approximately $5,000 while the other contractor bid nearly $25,000.  The bids told the city council nothing since they weren't even close.  Phelan was questioning why they were referring this useless data to committee of the whole where nothing would be done with it.  It would have made as much sense to put it under the desk.

momas2

OakParkSpartan

#45
April 25, 2007, 01:33:14 PM
Right.

Like the aldermen.

The point is something needed to be done at that point.  Someone clearly didn't understand that.

Cheers,
Brian
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

MOMAS2

#46
April 25, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Who didn't understand it?

MOMAS2

#47
April 25, 2007, 01:38:57 PM
It could have been made informational and didn't need to be referred anywhere.

~LL~

#48
April 25, 2007, 01:52:37 PM Last Edit: April 25, 2007, 01:55:08 PM by LL-Schmidt
Other results of last night's Council meeting include:

:fiveoh:  ordinances will be prepared for approval vote regarding increasing fines for cannabis possession-- per Chief Kushner's request to, "Increase fines to 'something meaningful' -- to help better enforce ZERO tolerance."
Fines had not been increased since 1994.  Most caught "ridin' (or, walkin') dirty have the current $25.00 fine on them as pocket change...
:fiveoh: an additional Graffiti Removal Technician will soon be on board
:fiveoh: Chief Kushner's request to create an Alarm Users (Businesses & residential) Permit and new fee (for false alarms) was referred to COW for further discussion.  
Currently, there is NO permit fee in effect for alarm users.  Other municipalities issue a sticker that results in quite a nice hunk of revenue annually.  Some municipalities have a  Three strikes/false alarms = ticket rule in place.   Request is to double existing fees for false alarms and require annual sticker.   False alarms do 'cost' the City a lot -- while diverting police attention from other situations.
Council requested more info regarding how this is handled in other communities, and their rate schedules -- to review at COW.
If you are not part of the solution -- you are part of the problem.

OakParkSpartan

#49
April 25, 2007, 02:12:32 PM
One of the objections I heard was that a resident would be "forced to pay the city to protect their home".  I don't buy that.

Cheers,
Brian
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

Bonster

#50
April 25, 2007, 02:16:07 PM
TyRy, don't your parents have to pay like $25 or $50 per false alarm in Chicago?
   ... "Shit ton of beer being served here soon!"

delbowz

#51
April 25, 2007, 02:17:37 PM
Out of curiosity - who were they Yay's and Nay's on the Brocato vacancy vote?

Denise
Life is too important to be taken seriously. - Oscar Wilde

MOMAS2

#52
April 25, 2007, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on April 25, 2007, 12:31:30 PM
Sedgewick monies approved.

SuperBlock agreement approved (the rumors by naysayers appear to be false).

Fifth ward seat remains open.

Library board appointments stand.

Best line of the night: Ald. Phelen was grumping about bids to fix the bank roof...after the approval of the agreement, the bids were moot (bids are typically sent out of the room to be opened right at the very start, so they can overlap, as they did last night), so someone made a motion to refer them to COW, where they would basically be left to die...Ald. Phelen continues to grump.  Ald. Lovero turns to him and says "What do you want us to do, throw them under the desk?".  Was rather funny at the time.

Cheers,
Brian

Brian,

You say the superblock agreement was approved.  Please elaborate.

momas2

OakParkSpartan

#53
April 25, 2007, 02:46:27 PM
The MOU was approved.

Why don't you write what you observed rather than being an asshat?
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

MOMAS2

#54
April 25, 2007, 02:49:41 PM
Tell us more please.  You know so much.

MOMAS2

#55
April 25, 2007, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on April 25, 2007, 01:33:14 PM
Right.

Like the aldermen.

The point is something needed to be done at that point.  Someone clearly didn't understand that.

Cheers,
Brian
Again, who didn't understand it?

OakParkSpartan

#56
April 25, 2007, 03:26:04 PM
I don't think you did.
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

A.Malina

#57
April 25, 2007, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: LL-Schmidt on April 25, 2007, 01:52:37 PM
Other results of last night's Council meeting include:

:fiveoh:  ordinances will be prepared for approval vote regarding increasing fines for cannabis possession-- per Chief Kushner's request to, "Increase fines to 'something meaningful' -- to help better enforce ZERO tolerance."
Fines had not been increased since 1994.  Most caught "ridin' (or, walkin') dirty have the current $25.00 fine on them as pocket change...
:fiveoh: an additional Graffiti Removal Technician will soon be on board
:fiveoh: Chief Kushner's request to create an Alarm Users (Businesses & residential) Permit and new fee (for false alarms) was referred to COW for further discussion.  
Currently, there is NO permit fee in effect for alarm users.  Other municipalities issue a sticker that results in quite a nice hunk of revenue annually.  Some municipalities have a  Three strikes/false alarms = ticket rule in place.   Request is to double existing fees for false alarms and require annual sticker.   False alarms do 'cost' the City a lot -- while diverting police attention from other situations.
Council requested more info regarding how this is handled in other communities, and their rate schedules -- to review at COW.
Next step (should be) fines for landlords every time police have to come for any disturbance:  fights, domestic battery, noise, and so on. That could clear up a lot of problems(or at least turn them into revenue sources). There are properties in town that police visit again and again, week after week, which suggests there are tenants who need to be encouraged to leave Berwyn, rather than welcomed to stay by the landlord.
"I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow

Count DMC

#58
April 25, 2007, 05:16:19 PM
Quote from: A.Malina on April 25, 2007, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: LL-Schmidt on April 25, 2007, 01:52:37 PM
Other results of last night's Council meeting include:

:fiveoh:  ordinances will be prepared for approval vote regarding increasing fines for cannabis possession-- per Chief Kushner's request to, "Increase fines to 'something meaningful' -- to help better enforce ZERO tolerance."
Fines had not been increased since 1994.  Most caught "ridin' (or, walkin') dirty have the current $25.00 fine on them as pocket change...
:fiveoh: an additional Graffiti Removal Technician will soon be on board
:fiveoh: Chief Kushner's request to create an Alarm Users (Businesses & residential) Permit and new fee (for false alarms) was referred to COW for further discussion.  
Currently, there is NO permit fee in effect for alarm users.  Other municipalities issue a sticker that results in quite a nice hunk of revenue annually.  Some municipalities have a  Three strikes/false alarms = ticket rule in place.   Request is to double existing fees for false alarms and require annual sticker.   False alarms do 'cost' the City a lot -- while diverting police attention from other situations.
Council requested more info regarding how this is handled in other communities, and their rate schedules -- to review at COW.
Next step (should be) fines for landlords every time police have to come for any disturbance:  fights, domestic battery, noise, and so on. That could clear up a lot of problems(or at least turn them into revenue sources). There are properties in town that police visit again and again, week after week, which suggests there are tenants who need to be encouraged to leave Berwyn, rather than welcomed to stay by the landlord.

Who said the landlords are encouraging them to stay?

Encourage the tenants to leave Berwyn, good idea, let's call the ACLU now so they can get the lawsuits ready ahead of time.

You are brilliant sir, why aren't you on some sort of citizen's buffoon committee?
Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this CITY isn't there?

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany than the Berwyn City Council.

Berwyn Patsy

#59
April 25, 2007, 05:39:46 PM
So, , it didn't sound like Maureen Brocato is absolutely out of the running, or is she?
I'll ask also Delbowz, did anyone catch who the nays and yays came from on this vote??
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