The Good: Czech Beer!
The bad: Don't they have someone to review the poster for typos, inconsistencies, etc. before posting it?
http://www.berwyn.net/documents/HoubyPoster2009FINAL.pdf
The Verdict: I am sure many of you will report it on Monday.
They probably don't.
But remember, we're saving money by paying the Exec Director over there ONLY $50k...
LOL!
I count four off the cuff:
"We are returning the fest back to it's czech roots." Whatever!
"Czech Muscian Group"
"Hamburglers" 12-1:30pm
The bad: Lemmings in t-shirts.
Never been to one.. so does the festival have various Czech mushrooms for sale?
Quote from: n01_important on September 28, 2009, 07:10:37 PM
Never been to one.. so does the festival have various Czech mushrooms for sale?
Czech, plaid, paisley, herringbone...
I have learned in the past. This BTF could start an arguement about doorknobs.
But has anyone seen this American English Group. Pretty good. I like the entertainment line up. Here they are<object width="660" height="525"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6lGnFvZE37g&hl=en&fs=1&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6lGnFvZE37g&hl=en&fs=1&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="660" height="525"></embed></object>
I agree, American English should be a good draw. However, this post is about simple proofreading. Frankly, it's (proper use) embarrassing that the Czech Oasis poster was sent out with errors.
The poster is unprofessional and it reflects badly on Berwyn Main Street - this isn't quantum physics people, it's simply proofreading.
Quote from: tony la on September 29, 2009, 08:31:38 AM
This BTF could start an arguement about doorknobs.
This isn't about doorknobs, it's not calling into question the entertainment, nor the fest itself.
Fact is, Berwyn MainStreet let fly a poster with at least five glaring mistakes a 4th grader could spot: spelling, capitalization, terribly incorrect grammar, ENTIRELY incorrect information. Yes, the show times are wrong.
Check the website ... the Hamburglars are playing 12:45, Saturday. Per this poster, pimped injudiciously by the BDC, they're playing Sunday 12-1:30p, while Stosh Polka plays 1-3p.
Admit it, Tony: you just hate the Hamburglars.
Glass doorknobs vs. brass doorknobs? Ready...go.
brass, yo.
Quote from: Bonster on September 29, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
brass, yo.
Glass is original to the bungalows. You're really getting on my nerves.
Glass = grandma. Hidden grime in the crannies.
Brass = old, cool (esp with a hint of tarnish). Works better with the "hot doorknob" prank.
oh ... don't forget The Headspins on Sat. @ 12 noonQuote from: BRoWN on September 29, 2009, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: Bonster on September 29, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
brass, yo.
Glass is original to the bungalows. You're really getting on my nerves.
Maybe he's talkin' about Brass Monkey
Quote from: scungili on September 29, 2009, 11:00:21 AM
oh ... don't forget The Headspins on Sat. @ 12 noon
Yeah, Tony hates the Headspins too!
I got excited when I saw the schedule--I have to work on Saturday, but I'm free on Sunday. Too bad it was wrong on that schedule--I'm dying to see the Hamburlars! I've seen the Headspins--they're good. Go see them. And what goes better with mushrooms than headspins??? :fro:
Burgesa Con Queso!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't been to the Houby in a few years but will probably go on Saturday with my daughter (home from college for the weekend with a friend) since I'm off work. As someone who still plays vinyl from (the majority from the 70's) another age what genre of music are some of these groups from. Yes, I know American English is a Beatles tribute band which is actually right up my alley but I'm tone deaf when it comes to the most of the lineup. I'm older than dirt now ya know - but still up for some good tunes!
MRS N. - there are no age boundaries when it comes to Robbling!
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I have been wrong before, but I believe this will be one of the best Houby Fest that we have had in a long time. I for one will be there every second of both days enjoying.
So what do you have against the Headspins & Hamburglars?
Looks like someone at MainStreet reads BTF, as the updated flyer they emailed has all the corrections noted here.
BTW, wonder how they are coming with their designation? It is 3.5 years since they started and just several $100k down the drain.
Quote from: Bonster on October 01, 2009, 11:35:36 AM
So what do you have against the Headspins & Hamburglars?
Nothing, I can't wait. Reguardless of how all of us feel about who is running this event. Let's all support it and enjoy. Tomarrow is not guaranteed to nobody.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 02, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
Looks like someone at MainStreet reads BTF, as the updated flyer they emailed has all the corrections noted here.
BTW, wonder how they are coming with their designation? It is 3.5 years since they started and just several $100k down the drain.
I was waiting for this. Can you post? There's one more correction I kept to myself.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 02, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
Looks like someone at MainStreet reads BTF, as the updated flyer they emailed has all the corrections noted here.
It doesn't have all the corrections noted; at least not what I'm clicking on from
berwyn.net (http://www.berwyn.net)
I think it was the BDC slapping MainStreet about for submitting such a foolish piece for public display. I hope this isn't printed and hanging anywhere in town.
Quote from: Nazerac on October 02, 2009, 11:18:42 AM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 02, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
Looks like someone at MainStreet reads BTF, as the updated flyer they emailed has all the corrections noted here.
BTW, wonder how they are coming with their designation? It is 3.5 years since they started and just several $100k down the drain.
I was waiting for this. Can you post? There's one more correction I kept to myself.
Two, both which I listed in my original post.
Are these grammatical and spelling errors expected by someone educated in the Berwyn public elementary school system?
Is this the level of intelligence the BDC wants to promote adjacent to their "Why Berwyn?" efforts?
Granted, they're about business, not education, yet it is well-known folks have been fleeing Berwyn for better schools for years.
Don't publicly aid that cause.
it's - the equivalent of the you're/your virus many suffer on public forums. Not acceptable for a display promoting our city.
(for those of you still wondering, it reads "We are returning the fest back to
it is Czech roots.")
Hamburglers - Seriously? I know bands often create their own words, but their posters (above in post 20), website, submissions, and even the root word "burglar" has no "e."
Quote from: tony la on October 02, 2009, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: Bonster on October 01, 2009, 11:35:36 AM
So what do you have against the Headspins & Hamburglars?
Nothing, I can't wait. Reguardless of how all of us feel about who is running this event. Let's all support it and enjoy. Tomarrow is not guaranteed to nobody.
This has nothing to do with who's running what; at least not from my standpoint. I like many of the folks in MainStreet - who assuredly did not have anything to do with this garbage.
Reading your posts
it's not surprising you would take this to be political.
Bon my dear friend,
The world is gray.........not black and white.
So profound I almost fainted...
According to Webster, it's is the contraction, meaning "it is" and its is the possesive.
Now do people understand?
Understand? Yes
Care? No.
If someone will pay me for typing... I'll be the first in line to get schooled on that stuff.
Quote from: n01_important on October 02, 2009, 02:16:34 PM
Understand? Yes
Care? No.
If someone will pay me for typing... I'll be the first in line to get schooled on that stuff.
I definitely understand what you're saying, but don't expect me to hire you for a job, or take you seriously if you write like a 2nd grader.
If I'm looking at a resume for instance, if you refuse to use correct words to represent yourself, sorry, I would highly assume that you would not function properly. If you don't even care to represent yourself correctly, then obviously, there isn't much you care about, especially the work for someone else. Now, trust me, I understand what you've written here, n01, but the people who choose to write like that should probably also understand what I've written as well. Which is this:
The people who read your writing (not
you, N01, but the ppl who choose to write incorrectly) are thinking to themselves, "wow, this person is a complete f*&*&^% idiot."
There are two sides to that as well: Either you were taught by an idiot, or you are not smart enough to comprehend. You have to understand, that if you are writing to represent yourself and your ideas (not talking face to face) ppl form an opinion about you AND about the message you are trying to convey from the words you write. There can be no other way to infer those ideas since we only have words on paper to use. If those words are spelled incorrectly, and misused, then the reader is left thinking, "Why should I take that seriously if the writer did not take it seriously? How much of that information is even correct? Did a 2nd grader write that?"
Of course, 1337 5pe4k is a whole different ballgame, and would send my k-6 grammar teachers reeling to their graves.
And what genius started this trend of showing pluralism by using apostrophe s?
Lol - hope I didn't make any mistakes in that post.
Also, n01, this was really not directed at you. I really do understand what you wrote, and that's fine, but you have to understand that ppl who were taught to use English correctly probably had it beaten into their head, so it irks them. Classic learned response. Was it correct that my teachers taught me English? Well, back then, it was required of teachers to teach. Back in my day, nobody cared about those ISAT things. We all aced them. They seemed like tests on the stuff we learned the year before. These days, it seems like teachers are required to coach students on how to pass government issued tests. Which in turn, creates zombies who can pass tests, but have virtually no idea how to apply knowledge to life since their knowledge has only ever been applied to a multiple choice question.
P.S. There are plenty of ppl who will pay you for typing.
PLENTY.
I mistype at this site. A lot. I try to proof read and catch many mistakes... but not all.
We also have to look at it this way. I agree if we were writing a resume, if that person can't proof read, find someone who who can. Alternative? Don't count on getting the job. I have put resumes in the garbage once I came up to a typo (logic being if a dumb fuck like can find one... there must be many many more and this person must not be serious about this job).
We don't pay anyone to write here... yea, it would be nice if some typos were fixed. I'm sure those are pet peeves of many. But we either go to therapy to help us deal with the idiosyncrasies of others or we remain frustrated, lonely individuals.
I don't mind typos ................... unless by someone PAID to use proper grammar, spelling, and information - such as on a flyer/poster/banner representing MY city for an event like HOUBY DAY. (Doesn't look too good by BoE members, either.)
To take that a step further, Bonster, I'm betting that there was more than one person involved in creating that rough draft (let's hope it was a rough draft anyway, huh?) Also, I think you were putting it very nicey-nice by saying (It) "Doesn't look too good by BoE member, either."
I'd say thet it makes them look like total F%^&*&% idiots.
Did anyone go to the festival? I tried but got rained out.
Happy Houby Day everyone! Hope today is a better day in the
wheather department!
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on October 04, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
Happy Houby Day everyone! Hope today is a better day in the
wheather department!
Pat, did you misspell that on purpose? ... <LOL>
Ted
Quote from: seebee on October 03, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
I definitely understand what you're saying, but don't expect me to hire you for a job, or take you seriously if you write like a 2nd grader.
I think there is a difference between what people type on a post on BTF and other types of writing and presentation. I often type fast and do not always re-read what I write. I often hit a key that I don't mean to hit amd sometimes I use its rather than it's. or I misspell something. As long as people can understand the content and ideas behind what is written, I think that's OK on a discussion board.
LOL!! I was just testing all you sharp minds out there!!
Quote from: Ted on October 04, 2009, 07:37:04 AM
As long as people can understand the content and ideas behind what is written, I think that's OK on a discussion board.
+1
Quote from: seebee on October 03, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
... And what genius started this trend of showing pluralism by using apostrophe s?
How does one show the plural of an acronym without it appearing that the letter "s" is part of the acronym? What about letter of the alphabet or numbers? What is the plural of 1? Is it 1s? Or is it 1's?
What is the plural of the letter x? Is it xs? Or is it x's?
How would you write the following sentence:
He made sure he dotted his i's and crossed his t's?
OR He made sure he dotted his is and crossed his ts?
Without the apostrophe to show the plural of the letter i, it would look like the word "is"
Here is what online Meredith says:
http://www.meredith.edu/grammar/plural.htm#apostrophe
Plural forms and the apostrophe (Bedford 36/Hodges')
A common error is to form the plural of a noun by adding "'s" to the singular form. Try to get out the habit of doing this. A trick for remembering that the apostrophe signifies the plural is that possessive means "having," and so the posessive form of the word "has" an apostrophe. How do you tell the difference in between plural and possessive? Check the meaning of the sentence. Does the noun simply refer to more than one thing? Or does the sentence mention something that belongs to the noun?
Although usage has changed in recent years, some handbooks call for an apostrophe in the plural forms of numbers, letters, and words used as words:
How many 1's do we have in the line?
We put x's on the incorrect answers.
The no's resounded loudly throughout the chamber.
Quote from: n01_important on October 03, 2009, 10:34:22 PM
Did anyone go to the festival? I tried but got rained out.
I did. The rain worked to my advantage - they gave me an extra large helping of shrimp & mushroom grits from the Wishbone stand since so few were buying. OMFG. If I was around today I'd be back there for lunch, snack, & dinner.
They had the ORIGINAL poster with all those elementary mistakes (including the incorrect band schedules) hanging everywhere. Pathetic. Didn't affect my shrimp & mushroom grits, though.
Quote from: Ted on October 04, 2009, 07:32:49 AM
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on October 04, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
Happy Houby Day everyone! Hope today is a better day in the
wheather department!
Pat, did you misspell that on purpose? ... <LOL>
Ted
Check MINE out though:
Quote from: seebee on October 03, 2009, 10:19:07 PM
I'd say thet it makes them look like total F%^&*&% idiots.
Quote from: Ted on October 04, 2009, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: seebee on October 03, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
... And what genius started this trend of showing pluralism by using apostrophe s?
How does one show the plural of an acronym without it appearing that the letter "s" is part of the acronym? What about letter of the alphabet or numbers? What is the plural of 1? Is it 1s? Or is it 1's?
What is the plural of the letter x? Is it xs? Or is it x's?
How would you write the following sentence:
He made sure he dotted his i's and crossed his t's?
OR He made sure he dotted his is and crossed his ts?
....
Well, Ted, I have to apologize to you and everyone else. I worded my question incorrectly and made you waste your time. I'm sorry. My question should have been this:
What genius started this trend of showing pluralism by using apostrophe s (except for Ted's examples?)
So, to answer your question, I have a short way and a long way.
The short way:
To show pluralization of something that can be considered confusing, do not abbreviate. Write it out longhand using a befitting phrase.
Quote from: Ted
How would you write the following sentence:
He made sure he dotted his i's and crossed his t's?
OR He made sure he dotted his is and crossed his ts?
The way I would write this is:
He made sure he dotted his instances of the letter i and crossed his instances of the letter t.
We all know that that's an English phrase of familiarity, however, so all bets are off.
The long answer to your question is this:
That's not what I meant, I'll explain later. Going to my first Houbyfest now.
So, Seebee, can you explain why you spell the word "people" as "ppl?" I'm not trying to pick on you, and I think you generally exhibit an above-average control of English grammar and spelling rules, so I am at a loss to explain your treatment of "people?"
Quote from: Crunchie on October 04, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
So, Seebee, can you explain why you spell the word "people" as "ppl?" I'm not trying to pick on you, and I think you generally exhibit an above-average control of English grammar and spelling rules, so I am at a loss to explain your treatment of "people?"
Blog-speak, Crnchy
I use ppl. Because I too like many have developed some shorthand to cut down on typing entire words. Just a few that I use. I picked it up from blogging and chat rooms, emails. You'd be surprised how many ppl have reverted to what I call internet shorthand. I think for me it started way back when ppl would type kwel. I thought what the hell is kwel. It's cool. :coreyhart: On the other hand, I am not among those that constantly point out grammar/spelling mistakes of other posters in order to prop myself up as superior.
I prefer "pee pull."
Quote from: Classof67 on October 04, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: Crunchie on October 04, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
So, Seebee, can you explain why you spell the word "people" as "ppl?" I'm not trying to pick on you, and I think you generally exhibit an above-average control of English grammar and spelling rules, so I am at a loss to explain your treatment of "people?"
Blog-speak, Crnchy
I know. My point was that it seems to be at odds with the intentions of someone who is lecturing and pontificating about the proper usage of the English language.
Quote from: Classof67 on October 04, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: Crunchie on October 04, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
So, Seebee, can you explain why you spell the word "people" as "ppl?" I'm not trying to pick on you, and I think you generally exhibit an above-average control of English grammar and spelling rules, so I am at a loss to explain your treatment of "people?"
Blog-speak, Crnchy
Yes, but really no. The abbreviation for the word people has been in use long before netspeak or leet speak. What's funny to me is that I actually left out the proper period at the end of the abbreviation, but I actually
thought about it. My teachers really did a number on me.
I think it would be awkward to write "the instances of the letter i" rather than i's.
I was just pointing out that there are valid cases where an apostrophe followed by the letter s is used to for the plural form. I think it is becoming more true in today's world with the increasing use of acronyms and abbreviations. Those are the other cases where I have seen apostrophe followed by s because acronyms and abbreviations do not lend themselves to becoming plural just by adding the letter s. The apostrophe is needed to distinguish the letters of the acronym or abbreviation.
Ted
Awkward? Yes, but it's my contention that it would be awkward to you because you already know the saying. It's quite possible that sentence could be written with a semicolon, an ampersand, a grave, a tilde, a heise, and an ellipse, but anyone really familiar with English would know how to read it - it's a popular saying. Throw that sentence to a 30 yr old Chinese guy who has studied proper English and is considered fluent, well, there's a chance he'll have no idea what that sentence means, or how to read it.
You are 100% correct, and again, I apologize for wasting your time with my ambiguity. My question was directed at the usage of apostrophe s to show pluralism (or is it plurality?) like this:
"I like these forum's."
"I had two hot dog's for lunch with extra pickle's."
"I had french fry's on the side."
When I lived in Denver, I actually saw a street sign that read, "No Left Turn's." It was NOT a handwritten sign. It was a normal, metal stamped, machine made sign attached to a street light probably made by and paid for by state or city dollars.
Anyway, I strolled through Houby Fest yesterday. Holy BALLS! E of Ridgeland was a flippin party. Lots of ppl, lots of rides, lots of funnel cakes. In the oasis W of Ridgeland, I caught Voodoo Monkey Child for a few songs. Wasn't my favorite style of music, but the young lady from Voodoo Monkey Child had a really decent voice, imo. A few of the rides were a step up from the Oktoberfest selection. I really wasn't expecting it to be as grand as it was. I was pleasantly surprised by both fests this year.
Go BERWYN!!
Quote from: billyjean on October 04, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
...I think for me it started way back when ppl would type kwel. I thought what the hell is kwel. It's cool. :coreyhart: On the other hand, I am not among those that constantly point out grammar/spelling mistakes of other posters in order to prop myself up as superior.
Um i 7h1|\|k u m34|\|7 2 r173 "kewl" |\|0?
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Not to point out mistakes for the sake of pointing out mistakes, but simply because in your context it's funny. Hell, I spelled a word wrong in a sentence bashing other people for spelling words wrong in this thread. And furthermore, I'll bet that I used leet wrong above, even though leet peeps will surely be able to understand it.
P.s. ":coreyhart" for the sunglass gif? Never knew that one, hilarious. That's worth spelling out hilarious as opposed to an lol.
Quote from: n01_important on October 03, 2009, 10:34:22 PM
Did anyone go to the festival? I tried but got rained out.
I didn't even have to go to the Houby Day as it was right behind where I live & my husband & I had to deal with the LOUD, wall/window shaking bands ALL WEEKEND!!
I have been a long time lurker here on the site & what happened over the weekend compelled me to sign up here to raise my public complaint on BTF.
Who's idea was it to put a HUGE bandstand like we are a concert hall pretty much on the corner of Cermak & Elmwood? Oh about 20 feet away from the building I live in with a bunch of other hard working tenants/residents? Is it because we don't own a home & pay property taxes that we as renters don't count?
On Saturday evening about 4:30pm my husband & I had totally had it with the earth shattering bumping of second rate bands & we called the BPD. I was told that we had to find an officer on site & talk to them about it. So, we go out in the rain find an officer & he immediately knew what we were talking about, like we weren't the first to complain (with his ear plugs in). I asked him who the coordinator was & he took us right to who I believe is the 4th ward alderman Skyrd, underneath the Miller Lite 3 keg trailer. She put her beer down very quickly to talk to us. I approached her & asked her about the intense music & she gave us the brush off saying it's a public street. Sure, it's a public street, but anyone who really cares about their constituents in the area & has 1/2 a brain would know putting this big old concert stage behind a bunch of apartments is extremely rude. There are other streets where there are businesses behind them & the apartments are father behind so as not to disturb the residents all night. Then she proceeded to ask us about if we would like free parking tickets, I told her straight up we don't want the parking tickets we were here about the noise & can she at least turn it down a bit. There wasn't more than 10 people that were drunk standing around listening to this in the cold rain. She said she would get them to turn it down, but she needed an umbrella. Well obviously, she didn't get her precious umbrella because it was even louder the rest of the night. It even went overtime until 10:47pm when it should have been over at 10pm. I had to call BPD 2 times to complain about this overage of band time.
So all in all on Saturday we were subjected to over 11 hours worth of wall/window shaking bad music (sorry to say bad music, but after 11 freaking hours it was horrible).
I say next year they put the band stand in front of their houses on their street so they can be realize just what they put us through.
Sunday during the day wasn't bad at all, until the Beatles wanna be band played & again, played an hour over. I once again called the BPD & was told that the mayor gave them permission to play an hour over so we were looking at possibly 10:30pm of more of the same from Saturday on a Sunday night no less. Do they really think that people that live in apartments in the immediate area don't work or don't care? Well I have to say they do care & I cared a whole lot. My husband & I work hard for a living & have to be up early & don't need to deal with this over a weekend that we actually had a weekend to ourselves to relax. Instead we were stressed out & couldn't even relax in our home.
Who do you call when you can't call the BPD or even talk to your alderperson & they don't help out at least a little bit? I wasn't looking/demanding for them to stop the band, just turn it down a bit.
Personally I think this was nothing but a politian fest throwing a party for her friends & her at our expense.
I think you understand exactly what it was about.
After three years, I'd have thought they would have a bigger event.
Quote from: Ted on October 05, 2009, 06:53:27 AM
I think it would be awkward to write "the instances of the letter i" rather than i's.
I was just pointing out that there are valid cases where an apostrophe followed by the letter s is used to for the plural form. I think it is becoming more true in today's world with the increasing use of acronyms and abbreviations. Those are the other cases where I have seen apostrophe followed by s because acronyms and abbreviations do not lend themselves to becoming plural just by adding the letter s. The apostrophe is needed to distinguish the letters of the acronym or abbreviation.
Ted
+1 Who talks like that, Seebee? I bet you NEVER end a sentence with a preposition. :)
"I approached her and asked her about the intense music and she gave us the brush off saying it's a public street". Translation - go f*#* yourself! It must be nice to be treated like that by an elected official of the town where you live. I was starting to think to myself how unbelievable that is but quickly did a reality check and yes, it's totally believable here in Berwyn.
I gotta agree with Diona on at least one issue. Sunday nite Beetles trib band was loud. I live in the Depot area and heard them all the way by me. I was in my house, windows closed on a Sunday nite and that I thought was ridiculous.
As far as alderman Skyrd, she is useless!! She pulled the same thing a few weeks prior when she gave the go ahead to close down Stanley east of Oak Park ave for the Bum bar's street festival and failed to notify a few of the affected businesses.
All I can say Diona is if your here at the next election, VOTE!! Remember this administration could care less about Berwyn residents. Unless of course you are friends of theirs, which then of course you don't live in Berwyn.
No, don't vote, Diona. There's no one worth your precious vote.
You may want to take it up at city council, though.
I say next year put the bands on a rooftop, Beatles-style!
(http://members.home.nl/jpgr/beatles_rooftop.jpeg)
Quote from: seebee on October 05, 2009, 08:58:14 AM
When I lived in Denver, I actually saw a street sign that read, "No Left Turn's." It was NOT a handwritten sign. It was a normal, metal stamped, machine made sign attached to a street light probably made by and paid for by state or city dollars.
seebee - I hope that drove you as crazy reading it as it does me reading about it!
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on October 05, 2009, 10:19:56 AM
"I approached her and asked her about the intense music and she gave us the brush off saying it's a public street". Translation - go f*#* yourself! It must be nice to be treated like that by an elected official of the town where you live. I was starting to think to myself how unbelievable that is but quickly did a reality check and yes, it's totally believable here in Berwyn.
If it is a public street, why was it closed down?
She is flat out dumb as a box of rocks.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 05, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on October 05, 2009, 10:19:56 AM
"I approached her and asked her about the intense music and she gave us the brush off saying it's a public street". Translation - go f*#* yourself! It must be nice to be treated like that by an elected official of the town where you live. I was starting to think to myself how unbelievable that is but quickly did a reality check and yes, it's totally believable here in Berwyn.
If it is a public street, why was it closed down?
She is flat out dumb as a box of rocks.
Since all streets in Berwyn are public, why would this fest (with loud music and all - and American English got louder as the evening went on) not be accountable to the residents? I would think that the residents of the closed residential side streets like Elmwood should be allowed to voice their support or disapproval before the event by the signing of a petition ala block parties during the summer.
Maybe gathering petition signatures now would be a good time while the experience is fresh in people's minds.
Someone is going to be impacted when there is a festival right next to a residential area, but one would think the organizers would have some decency beyond just making a lame assed, stupid comment about it being a public street.
I wonder if Skrydmarks can explain what it being a public street has to do with anything? Because if you drive your car down the public street with a stereo too loud, you certainly can't use the "it is a public street" excuse.
Quote from: Thor on October 05, 2009, 10:30:29 AM
I gotta agree with Diona on at least one issue. Sunday nite Beetles trib band was loud. I live in the Depot area and heard them all the way by me. I was in my house, windows closed on a Sunday nite and that I thought was ridiculous.
As far as alderman Skyrd, she is useless!! She pulled the same thing a few weeks prior when she gave the go ahead to close down Stanley east of Oak Park ave for the Bum bar's street festival and failed to notify a few of the affected businesses.
All I can say Diona is if your here at the next election, VOTE!! Remember this administration could care less about Berwyn residents. Unless of course you are friends of theirs, which then of course you don't live in Berwyn.
Thor if you heard it in the Depot District, imagine how it would have sounded & felt not even 20 feet away from your house. It was totally uncalled for & I have put my complaint in with the Mayor's office today. Now if I get a call back on what I told the mayor's secretary or whoever she was, I don't know. What you all said so far, I probably won't get a call back, but I at least had my say here knowing as a long time lurker that some of city officials check this site & that I had my say to the Mayor's aid/secretary.
My big question here you all is who are we supposed to call when the BPD & the politicians are together celebrating their little weekend fest & resident's expenses? BPD, didn't do much of anything when we called 3 times on Saturday & the 1 time on Sunday evening, they told me that the Mayor gave them the OK for another hour last night.
We will be voting in the next election, SOMEONE has to be better than the elected officials we have now, at least I would like to hope so.
I totally agree with you OakParkSpartan, my husband was talking to me about the sound ordinances, but yet they can get away with their political fest & I'm sure break a bunch of sound ordinances that you or I would have gotten ticketed for.
I wonder why was the event moved to the North side of Cermak. The old location was more comfortable and providing more seating and room for events like the dancers and such.
Last year the Czech Oasis team passed out a letter to each house and apartment within the area explaining Houbyfest and the band schedule so they knew what to expect. Diona, did your building receive a letter or note about the fest?
lol. Im amazed that people stress themselves out about the smallest things. Events can be loud. Just plan ahead. Expect it. Don't let it bug you. Life is too short to bitch about little things.
No, we didn't recieve anything at all about the Houbyfest Terri. I check my mail & any flyers that are put on the floor of the vestibule everyday.
I think irregardless of if we got something or not, to put a big concert stage out by residents & play music for over 11 hours in 1 day at extremely high decibles is unacceptable anywhere.
I've been a resident here in the apartment complex where that stage was set up 8 or 9 years. I've been through many a Houby Fest & NONE of them except this 1 has ever bothered me. We had a stage close to our place many years, but they've only played for 2-3 hours & was never that loud. My husband said it was like going to a Korn concert with his teenage kid hearing all the thumping bass.
Whatever buzz, why not put it in front of you house next year. Then you can come in here to talk about it, we'll discuss that next year with you how you felt. It really didn't have to be that loud, Thor said he even heard it in the Depot, so what does that tell you about the sound of this band?
Quote from: Classof67 on October 05, 2009, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Ted on October 05, 2009, 06:53:27 AM
I think it would be awkward to write "the instances of the letter i" rather than i's.
I was just pointing out that there are valid cases where an apostrophe followed by the letter s is used to for the plural form. I think it is becoming more true in today's world with the increasing use of acronyms and abbreviations. Those are the other cases where I have seen apostrophe followed by s because acronyms and abbreviations do not lend themselves to becoming plural just by adding the letter s. The apostrophe is needed to distinguish the letters of the acronym or abbreviation.
Ted
+1 Who talks like that, Seebee? I bet you NEVER end a sentence with a preposition. :)
+1. I don't talk like that.
The discussion was about writing though.
Talking is worlds different than writing. I can tell someone many, many, things without saying or writing one word if we are close to each other. If I said "dot your i's and cross your t's," you know that I'm not even talking about writing. Some guy who hasn't spoken English since he was born might have no idea what the heck that means even if he has been speaking English for 10 years. I prolly end sentences with prepositions. I don't have any examples that I can think of. I'll get back to you when I think of examples I can wrap my mind around. Let me think it through. Gotta let it sink in. You know, toss it around. Get my thinking cap on. Maybe I'll search the board and keep a look out. Bet there's a few threads I can get examples from. That's something I'll look into.
And yes, Bonster, that street sign drove me nuts. But really, it's a short drive.
Quote from: Diona on October 05, 2009, 01:19:58 PM
I think irregardless of if we got something or not...
For the record, Diona, I'm in your corner. I would think that the fest's loud music could have ended a few hours earlier than 10:30 on a Sunday night during the school year. I get to listen to the Journey cover band during the Depot fests into the night, so I can somewhat relate. Sounds like it was worse for you though - louder and longer.
Otoh, that's a rough, rough, start of a sentence. IN THE CONTEXT OF MY BABBLINGS in this thread, I found it to be amusing.
offtopic
LOL...^^
Quote from: Diona on October 05, 2009, 01:19:58 PM
Whatever buzz, why not put it in front of you house next year. Then you can come in here to talk about it, we'll discuss that next year with you how you felt. It really didn't have to be that loud, Thor said he even heard it in the Depot, so what does that tell you about the sound of this band?
Diona- I'm not so sure buzz opined on this matter.
Bon, I did enjoy headspins, and the Hamburglars,(robble-robble). Little did I realize the impact they had on my 7 year old daughter. It was one of the first times she has seen a band in person, and to her suprise she saw two women playing the guitar. She said to me "Dad women can have a rock band too"? It was special for me.
This event brings many people together. Again maybe it was a little too long. If many, and I mean many, people were upset about the noise and the time, then something should be done. Jesus Christ himself could have come down from heaven and gave a speech and I guarantee you, you would get a complaint.
I am not going to mention any names here. I am not aligned with anyone here but BERWYN. If it promotes our town in a positive light, then I am for it. The people behind this event worked their asses off. I was there almost every minute.
I met many people from out of the area who were really impressed. Sunday was a spectacular day.
I really am not looking to debate anyone here, just stating what I saw. So if anyone sees fit to throw a punch at me on BTF, it will land on a numb jaw.
Oh I'm sorry I thought I read buzz's response to "get over it", my apologizes. I meant BROWN have the concert in front of your house next year & then you can talk to us after your ears were assulted for 11 hours.
My husband & I went down to partake yesterday when it was much quieter (before the Beatles band). It was nice & we spent some money at the local vendors. Even going to go to to Kim's Creations later on this week to stock up on the wonderful candles she has there.
My point in all this is the BPD & our alderman really didn't care when we talked to them, where is the caring for your constituents? OR Is the caring only when the constituents are friends with the politicians in this town?
Anyway...the fest is over & done with THANK GOD, I hope someone with 1/2 a brain takes the residents into consideration for next years fest.
Thanks for letting me vent here & I will be around more to read & maybe even post to the Berwyn happenings. This is where I come for Events stuff & to read alot of other things concerning Berwyn. :)
Quote from: tony la on October 05, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
I am not going to mention any names here. I am not aligned with anyone here but BERWYN. If it promotes our town in a positive light, then I am for it. The people behind this event worked their asses off. I was there almost every minute.
They work hard at Lambs Farm, too.
Quote from: seebee on October 05, 2009, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: Classof67 on October 05, 2009, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Ted on October 05, 2009, 06:53:27 AM
I think it would be awkward to write "the instances of the letter i" rather than i's.
I was just pointing out that there are valid cases where an apostrophe followed by the letter s is used to for the plural form. I think it is becoming more true in today's world with the increasing use of acronyms and abbreviations. Those are the other cases where I have seen apostrophe followed by s because acronyms and abbreviations do not lend themselves to becoming plural just by adding the letter s. The apostrophe is needed to distinguish the letters of the acronym or abbreviation.
Ted
+1 Who talks like that, Seebee? I bet you NEVER end a sentence with a preposition. :)
+1. I don't talk like that.
The discussion was about writing though.
Talking is worlds different than writing. I can tell someone many, many, things without saying or writing one word if we are close to each other. If I said "dot your i's and cross your t's," you know that I'm not even talking about writing. Some guy who hasn't spoken English since he was born might have no idea what the heck that means even if he has been speaking English for 10 years. I prolly end sentences with prepositions. I don't have any examples that I can think of. I'll get back to you when I think of examples I can wrap my mind around. Let me think it through. Gotta let it sink in. You know, toss it around. Get my thinking cap on. Maybe I'll search the board and keep a look out. Bet there's a few threads I can get examples from. That's something I'll look into.
And yes, Bonster, that street sign drove me nuts. But really, it's a short drive.
:fiveoh: Wow, look at all the preposition. STOP IT! offtopic
Quote from: Bonster on October 05, 2009, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: tony la on October 05, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
I am not going to mention any names here. I am not aligned with anyone here but BERWYN. If it promotes our town in a positive light, then I am for it. The people behind this event worked their asses off. I was there almost every minute.
They work hard at Lambs Farm, too.
OMG -
Funniest thing I've read this year probably. Totally wrong, but funny as #$%^
Quote from: seebee on October 05, 2009, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Bonster on October 05, 2009, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: tony la on October 05, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
I am not going to mention any names here. I am not aligned with anyone here but BERWYN. If it promotes our town in a positive light, then I am for it. The people behind this event worked their asses off. I was there almost every minute.
They work hard at Lambs Farm, too.
OMG -
Funniest thing I've read this year probably. Totally wrong, but funny as #$%^
+1. I almost fell off my chair. God bless em - the ones at Lambs Farm.
I'm sorry. I was just giving tip on how I deal with loud noise. Sometimes I wear earplugs too.
I can empathize... there are so many other places to have the festival... why so close to residents?
Quote from: seebee on October 05, 2009, 08:58:14 AM
When I lived in Denver, I actually saw a street sign that read, "No Left Turn's." It was NOT a handwritten sign. It was a normal, metal stamped, machine made sign attached to a street light probably made by and paid for by state or city dollars.
That's pretty lame. The weirdest street sign I remember was a "Speed Limit 19" in Crown Point, IN.
Quote from: n01_important on October 05, 2009, 06:05:17 PM
I can empathize... there are so many other places to have the festival... why so close to residents?
Because it all comes down to them not caring about the RENTER residents.
I DID get a call back from the Mayor's office. LOL...the woman who called me back said that the mayor doesn't handle the music & I should call the "Berwyn Mainstreet" to talk to them about the ugly thing they did on Saturday all day & Sunday night. So, 1 of the mayor's constituents doesn't matter when putting in a complaint about it, he was there on Saturday, I heard him talking, but hey he doesn't care. 1 more reason why I literally drag myself to vote for ANY politician!
So I have yet another number to call to ask WHY someone would put a full fledged bandstand behind residents apartments.
Is it even worth it for me to call this Berwyn Main Street? What do you guys think?
Get over it already
Quote from: JSlaught on October 06, 2009, 08:35:18 AM
Get over it already
So thoughtful! Did you help create those retarded Houby Day posters?
Quote from: Diona on October 06, 2009, 08:28:17 AM
Quote from: n01_important on October 05, 2009, 06:05:17 PM
I can empathize... there are so many other places to have the festival... why so close to residents?
Because it all comes down to them not caring about the RENTER residents.
I DID get a call back from the Mayor's office. LOL...the woman who called me back said that the mayor doesn't handle the music & I should call the "Berwyn Mainstreet" to talk to them about the ugly thing they did on Saturday all day & Sunday night. So, 1 of the mayor's constituents doesn't matter when putting in a complaint about it, he was there on Saturday, I heard him talking, but hey he doesn't care. 1 more reason why I literally drag myself to vote for ANY politician!
So I have yet another number to call to ask WHY someone would put a full fledged bandstand behind residents apartments.
Is it even worth it for me to call this Berwyn Main Street? What do you guys think?
Of course you should call and hopefully next year adjustments will be made.
I would also call but I can tell you now don't expect any satisfaction.
JSLaught response is pretty much what you'll get back from the people in charge. Unless of course its an election year and then you'll hear how all the unions are backing them :D :D :D
A gumball machine stole my quarter. I'm not sure which mayor or political party to blame. Who should I contact at city hall? Does anyone have data for the last 10 years regarding quarters eaten by these machines? I'm pissed. I called the PD but they had the nerve to tell me they were too busy.
Quote from: BRoWN on October 06, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
A gumball machine stole my quarter. I'm not sure which mayor or political party to blame. Who should I contact at city hall? Does anyone have data for the last 10 years regarding quarters eaten by these machines? I'm pissed. I called the PD but they had the nerve to tell me they were too busy.
My crotch itches. Where's my city services to come scratch it for me?
The ring fell off my pudding can!
Quote from: rbain on October 06, 2009, 11:37:11 AM
The ring fell off my pudding can!
That's it! Berwyn needs a mono-rail!
Quote from: BRoWN on October 06, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
A gumball machine stole my quarter. I'm not sure which mayor or political party to blame. Who should I contact at city hall? Does anyone have data for the last 10 years regarding quarters eaten by these machines? I'm pissed. I called the PD but they had the nerve to tell me they were too busy.
Don't tell me the mayor is now supplying the gumballs to the various machines around town? If he is then yes definately you should call him about your lack of balls, err I mean quarters.
Call Main Street and talk to the executive director. See what he has to say. Skrydmarks and TedP are both aldermen and sit on the board. You might contact them as well. Who is your alderman?
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 06, 2009, 12:22:31 PM
Call Main Street and talk to the executive director. See what he has to say. Skrydmarks and TedP are both aldermen and sit on the board. You might contact them as well. Who is your alderman?
I called Main Street earlier today & got a call back. Said he was sorry for the inconvenience this is his first year here, blah blah. Wanted my email address so updates for town hall meetings can be sent so a 'concerned citizen' like myself can voice my thoughts on things such as the bandstand right by my place. Also said they do like that area so most likely I was given fair warning to move before next October.
So, who knows if anything at all will be done for next year, but at least my voice was heard.
To those that had their opinions on that I should have dealt with it, I think I need to hire a loud ass band to play right outside your doors for over 11 hours & see how you all fair.
When you say "move" do you mean move out to a new home......or just leave and go somewhere else during the fest?
Personally I wouldn't call anyone. I would go to CC and in open forum respectfully convey my displeasure with the event. I agree that no outdoor event should go beyond 9pm on a Sunday or any school night. As far as the Saturday festivities, I feel you will not get anywhere.
Quote from: JSlaught on October 06, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
Personally I wouldn't call anyone. I would go to CC and in open forum respectfully convey my displeasure with the event. I agree that no outdoor event should go beyond 9pm on a Sunday or any school night. As far as the Saturday festivities, I feel you will not get anywhere.
I can't think of any festivals/fairs that go on beyond 4 or 5pm on a Sunday.
Start the thing Friday evening and wrap up on Sunday at 5.
Thats even better
I dunno why I'm opening my mouth here ... but Retro on Roscoe, Lincoln Square Ribfest, Arlington Hts. Frontier Days all go till 10 pm on Sundays and they have bands playing that late. St. Ben's Oktoberfest goes till 9 on Sunday. Naperville Ribfest doesn't count so much because it's a greater distance from homes but it still goes till 10 on a Sunday. I'm sure there are more but I haven't attended those.
All these events project music for a good distance. The above events also bring in alot of people to enjoy the event. I'm sure these events have pissed off a neighbor or two. But it's one weekend out of the year. Maybe if the Czech Oasis gets some support & gets some bands with more draw it'll be an event that people from outside of Berwyn will come to, spend money & hopefully return to spend more money. Hasn't that been a running theme here on BTF about how to improve things in Berwyn? Or at least a way to attract DINKS and the likes with more disposable income?
This is an urban community with lots of people per square mile (or foot if you prefer) & sometimes, as someone else posted, you just need to deal with it. I really don't mean to be insensitive and I wasn't in your home to experience the excessive noise, but it's a once a year weekend event that could benefit the community if it grows.
I believe the events you posted, MOST of them are summertime - meaning, kids do not have school the next morning.
Quote from: JSlaught on October 06, 2009, 02:32:40 PM
Personally I wouldn't call anyone. I would go to CC and in open forum respectfully convey my displeasure with the event. I agree that no outdoor event should go beyond 9pm on a Sunday or any school night. As far as the Saturday festivities, I feel you will not get anywhere.
+1
And as JSlaught stated, do it
respectfully. Not like Bonster on BTF. :-*
Agree about Saturdays, too. Sometimes you gotta suck it up for a day. You know, take one for Team Berwyn. :usa:
Quote from: scungili on October 06, 2009, 04:05:33 PM
I dunno why I'm opening my mouth here ... but Retro on Roscoe, Lincoln Square Ribfest, Arlington Hts. Frontier Days all go till 10 pm on Sundays and they have bands playing that late. St. Ben's Oktoberfest goes till 9 on Sunday. Naperville Ribfest doesn't count so much because it's a greater distance from homes but it still goes till 10 on a Sunday. I'm sure there are more but I haven't attended those.
All these events project music for a good distance. The above events also bring in alot of people to enjoy the event. I'm sure these events have pissed off a neighbor or two. But it's one weekend out of the year. Maybe if the Czech Oasis gets some support & gets some bands with more draw it'll be an event that people from outside of Berwyn will come to, spend money & hopefully return to spend more money. Hasn't that been a running theme here on BTF about how to improve things in Berwyn? Or at least a way to attract DINKS and the likes with more disposable income?
This is an urban community with lots of people per square mile (or foot if you prefer) & sometimes, as someone else posted, you just need to deal with it. I really don't mean to be insensitive and I wasn't in your home to experience the excessive noise, but it's a once a year weekend event that could benefit the community if it grows.
+1
If there were more complaints, I wish they would surface to give validity to your concern. If our goal is to bring people to Berwyn to showcase it.....then that is probably the best location for it. It probably should end at 9. It was not constant on Saturday, because they stooped for 2-3 hours because of the rain. That is why it ran long on Saturday.
Many people came to Berwyn this weekend who did not even know where Berwyn was. Groups like American English will do that. They are playing again on 10/23 at Fitzgeralds. One person I talked to actually thought Fitzgeralds was in Oak Park. It was a good event. I wish I could do something for the people that had a hard time dealing with the noise.
Quote from: tony la on October 06, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
If there were more complaints, I wish they would surface to give validity to your concern.
Where would you prefer people to complain, on BTF?
When they do, you complain about it, as in this thread when you made something political which wasn't.
Quote from: tony la on October 06, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
If our goal is to bring people to Berwyn to showcase it.....then that is probably the best location for it.
I disagree. The location across the street served that purpose better IMHO. This location was too cramped. Folks spent their time scrunched between two buildings. Many parked on Vacin, coming in from the back. If you drove too fast you risked missing it.
Across the street it was more spacious, better seating, open to the rest of Cermak, encouraging folks to stop by.
Quote from: Bonster on October 06, 2009, 05:14:06 PM
Quote from: tony la on October 06, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
If there were more complaints, I wish they would surface to give validity to your concern.
Where would you prefer people to complain, on BTF?
When they do, you complain about it, as in this thread when you made something political which wasn't.
Quote from: tony la on October 06, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
If our goal is to bring people to Berwyn to showcase it.....then that is probably the best location for it.
I disagree. The location across the street served that purpose better IMHO. This location was too cramped. Folks spent their time scrunched between two buildings. Many parked on Vacin, coming in from the back. If you drove too fast you risked missing it.
Across the street it was more spacious, better seating, open to the rest of Cermak, encouraging folks to stop by.
Across the street was fine too. But if your thinking of taking it off of Cermak Road IMHO, it defeats the purpose of the whole event.
You know Bon...... U definitely have to chill.........
I was referring to the fact that I only heard one or two people complain about the noise. When probably 100 or more people live on the block. I know I saw renters in the building across the street that were jamming all day Sunday, and enjoying the view. Way too many times, a select few voice their opinions on a subject, and policy is changed to comfort those few. THERE IS NOTHING POLITICAL ABOUT IT.
If it were me, and I hated the noise as much as you did, I'd complain,
just as you did, but I would be planning a weekend get away for
me and hubby next year. I do understand "venting" though, I
hope it made you feel better.
How many years has Houby weekend been around?
I wonder how many complaints through the years have been reported.
Quote from: tony la on October 06, 2009, 06:14:11 PM
You know Bon...... U definitely have to chill.........
I was referring to the fact that I only heard one or two people complain about the noise. When probably 100 or more people live on the block. I know I saw renters in the building across the street that were jamming all day Sunday, and enjoying the view. Way too many times, a select few voice their opinions on a subject, and policy is changed to comfort those few. THERE IS NOTHING POLITICAL ABOUT IT.
Speak for yourself, guy. You made the previous legitimate complaints about an embarrassing display for our city political when they were brought to light here on BTF. I guess you don't mind that kind of bad pub. for our city.
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on October 06, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
How many years has Houby weekend been around?
I wonder how many complaints through the years have been reported.
This was the first year it was located in that particular location. Four years ago, there was a parade and that was about it. Three years ago, I distinctly remember a set of speakers playing music in that space and some very drunk people sitting on the curb and then dancing for a while. That's all that was happening on that particular block.
Why should my husband & I leave our home & our pets for a weekend because of inconsiderate people that put a frigging bandstand 20 feet from apartments?
I've never had a complaint before with the Houby Fest & I've been a resident by those apartments for 8-9 years. As I stated before in here I believe 2-3 hours of the band like previous years was always just fine.
Oh excuse me Tony La, so those 2-3 hours of no music I should be grateful for when the majority of the time it was earth shattering my home? How about next year we put the bandstand behind your house all day thumping? Oh & another thing Tony La, my concern to you isn't valid because more people didn't complain? How do you know more people didn't complain? They may not have come here to make it public, they may have called the BPD or talked to the mayor or whatever. If I buy a house I will not be going to your Remax as I know how you feel about the residents.
Many fests for different towns have their fest in their PARKS, not on the street. LaGrange has/had a craft fest with rides, but they've never been so inconsiderate of their residents as to have a band playing outside their back door for hours & HOURS.
I may sound pissy, but some of the posters here just don't care at all about the residents of Berwyn. If these fests are supposed to bulster Berwyn's reputation, bring out the residents & also bring non-residents, wouldn't it be a good idea not to piss off the residents first? Nobody thinks about that huh?
Sorry for the rant guys, but I've about gotten tired of the "suck it ups". Now it's on to reading other threads & getting more involved.
Hello, Diona,
If a weekend away isn't an option, how about a little community service?
For more details on the Oasis, to get involved or be part of the Czech Oasis and make Houby Fest 2010* even better, visit Berwyn Main Street, call (708) 484-8000 or email info@berwynmainstreet.org.
*my edit
LOL, you evil bastard.
(participating in Houby Fest would not be a "community service"; it would make her complicit in the alleged crime against her community... (http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) )
Quote from: Bonster on October 07, 2009, 10:37:25 AM
LOL, you evil bastard.
(participating in Houby Fest would not be a "community service"; it would make her complicit in the alleged crime against her community... (http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) )
LOL...thank you Bonster! :D
Although I could get to walk around all day with an orange shirt on drinking beer probably for free too...Oh sign me up! ;D
Yes, yes you could! Come to the Dark Side, Diona!
I would like to work the Wishbone booth. Give me a serving spoon to suck down free shrimp&mush grits.
Where was the Wishbone booth? Were they there on Sun? I must have had the blinders on.
I did get to try Josie's Dumplings. Always wondered about that joint. Mushroom gravy was good. Sauerkraut/mushroom pierogies were ok.
As always, got our tamale on at Tamale Hut Cafe booth. The Tacos Y Salsa booth is a tease. They were char grilling steak at Oktoberfest, and also at Houbyfest, but when you go to their shop, it's the same griddle fried blah steak that every cheap taqueria slops out. Their salsas always rock tho. Oooh speaking of tacos....update to the Bars Club Resto section coming soon.
Wishbone was right next to (north of) the beer booth on Saturday.
GREAT point about Tacos Y Salsa - much better on the road than at home w/the char action. :D
Quote from: Diona on October 07, 2009, 07:35:34 AM
Why should my husband & I leave our home & our pets for a weekend because of inconsiderate people that put a frigging bandstand 20 feet from apartments?
I've never had a complaint before with the Houby Fest & I've been a resident by those apartments for 8-9 years. As I stated before in here I believe 2-3 hours of the band like previous years was always just fine.
Oh excuse me Tony La, so those 2-3 hours of no music I should be grateful for when the majority of the time it was earth shattering my home? How about next year we put the bandstand behind your house all day thumping? Oh & another thing Tony La, my concern to you isn't valid because more people didn't complain? How do you know more people didn't complain? They may not have come here to make it public, they may have called the BPD or talked to the mayor or whatever. If I buy a house I will not be going to your Remax as I know how you feel about the residents.
Many fests for different towns have their fest in their PARKS, not on the street. LaGrange has/had a craft fest with rides, but they've never been so inconsiderate of their residents as to have a band playing outside their back door for hours & HOURS.
I may sound pissy, but some of the posters here just don't care at all about the residents of Berwyn. If these fests are supposed to bulster Berwyn's reputation, bring out the residents & also bring non-residents, wouldn't it be a good idea not to piss off the residents first? Nobody thinks about that huh?
Sorry for the rant guys, but I've about gotten tired of the "suck it ups". Now it's on to reading other threads & getting more involved.
Diona,
I know you are upset....you do not know me. I am one of the few Realtors that actually live in Berwyn. I am a resident. I do not know if anyone else complained, just my point. If it was a problem with others, than those people need to come forth on any platform they can find. I would have no problem with it in my back yard, but then again that is me. I understand everyone does not feel the same way I do.
I am truly sorry that it irritated you so much. You really need to find others that feel the same way you do, and come to city council and voice your opinion. How do you think such events happen. They happen when more than one person comes up with an idea, they find people who feel the same way they do, and put a plan into action.
If you feel as a resident, that Berwyn does not need this. Or it needs to be in another place. Speak up so more people can hear you. But make sure it is not just you.
I know for a fact that some Businesses were hurt financially from the fest. But I know long term they see the advantages.
Please don't fault RE/MAX. They have nothing to do with my opinions.
Diona, I too am sorry you were upset by the noise. When I said deal with it, wear earplugs or leave for the weekend I was simply giving you a suggestion to combat the problem for you. Seems with anything anyone does someone else will always not be happy. The festival could have been held anywhere and someone is bound to have a problem with the location. You can't please everyone all the time when organizing these type events.
I think ending the thing at a reasonable hour on a Sunday evening would be helpful.
Stop at 5pm and at least kids can get homework done.
As far as being told leave your home, what if you have kids and they have school the next day? Or homework to do?
That is true guys that with anything that is done there will always be some that will have a problem with whatever is being done. LOL...I know at my work when we have luncheons, there's always a few somebodies that complain about the food etc.. :D
I will try to go to the town hall meetings when they concern the next Houby Day & respectfully state my case about the location of the bandstand. Hopefully it can be heard & understood. If not our lease is up in Sept. next year so we can always move out of Berwyn. Not just because of the fest though.
Bonster, my husband LOVED the pozole from Tacos Y Salsa! He wants to go to the restaurant, so should we go or is it better when they do fests?
How 'bout thinking outside the box on this?
First, find out what was wrong with the original location.
THIS location is conducive to excessive noise due to how narrow it is (think: reverberation). At the original location there was much greater space between the buildings, less reverberation. Also, in this location the stage was set back in Vacin Parkway, so the sound was reverberating off the backs of the buildings and towards the homes.
Second, if the problem at the previous location had anything to do with sound, perhaps in the future some kind of simple baffling could be built behind the stage. Sure the low frequencies will travel through, but if the upper frequencies are directed away from the block it'll sound like typical Berwyn prior to the noise ordinance!
Third, Tony's biased cause this year's location was next to HIS office, not PAV.
Quote from: Diona on October 07, 2009, 01:44:27 PM
Bonster, my husband LOVED the pozole from Tacos Y Salsa! He wants to go to the restaurant, so should we go or is it better when they do fests?
seebee (and now I) refer particularly to the way the steak is cooked - via open flame rather than on a hot griddle where it just gets greasy and rubbery.
Here's seebee's review of Tacos Y Salsa:
Quote from: seebee on August 28, 2006, 08:46:31 PM
Rain + work+gym=home late on Monday. Perfect excuse to try Tacos Y Salsa.
Did my typical new taqueria order - Just about one of each kind of meat:
Chicken - C
Pastor - B
Steak - D
Barbacoa - C
Salsa A-
For me, the Pastor was the winner here. Everything else was just ok. Not BAD, but nothing to write home about.
VERY good salsas.The salsa verde had a pretty good burn. It was homemade, not just the giant can of Herdez Salsa Verde most places
use. The red was a homemade salsa chipotle. VERY good, and much milder. Neither were fresh chopped pico de gallo, but the blender stuff. Still VERY good. We'll be back for Monday 99C tacos if we're in a pinch. Tacos were just ok - nothing really special for me. Won't get the steak again, but the other stuff was ok. Thanks for the suggestion! Definitely will be using the left over salsa for a dinner concotion this week. The gave us two small beverage cups filled with each of the salsas with our order. Probably 10 oz each. MAJOR props for that. ESPECIALLY since the salsa rocks here. Thanks again! ;D
Quote from: Bonster on October 07, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
How 'bout thinking outside the box on this?
First, find out what was wrong with the original location.
THIS location is conducive to excessive noise due to how narrow it is (think: reverberation). At the original location there was much greater space between the buildings, less reverberation. Also, in this location the stage was set back in Vacin Parkway, so the sound was reverberating off the backs of the buildings and towards the homes.
Second, if the problem at the previous location had anything to do with sound, perhaps in the future some kind of simple baffling could be built behind the stage. Sure the low frequencies will travel through, but if the upper frequencies are directed away from the block it'll sound like typical Berwyn prior to the noise ordinance!
Third, Tony's biased cause this year's location was next to HIS office, not PAV.
Diona may have been hearing mostly the bands monitor mix and not as much of the FOH mix...... depending where the apartment. is. Many musicians themselves wear earplugs. Others are so deaf from being blasted over the years that they have soundman turn them up....so their bandmates wear earplugs. One inexperienced soundman can ruin the ears of a musician in a split second. Someone in the band may have real bad hearing and has monitor turned up loud. Was it just too loud all day?
Quote from: BRoWN on October 07, 2009, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: Bonster on October 07, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
How 'bout thinking outside the box on this?
First, find out what was wrong with the original location.
THIS location is conducive to excessive noise due to how narrow it is (think: reverberation). At the original location there was much greater space between the buildings, less reverberation. Also, in this location the stage was set back in Vacin Parkway, so the sound was reverberating off the backs of the buildings and towards the homes.
Second, if the problem at the previous location had anything to do with sound, perhaps in the future some kind of simple baffling could be built behind the stage. Sure the low frequencies will travel through, but if the upper frequencies are directed away from the block it'll sound like typical Berwyn prior to the noise ordinance!
Third, Tony's biased cause this year's location was next to HIS office, not PAV.
Diona may have been hearing mostly the bands monitor mix and not as much of the FOH mix...... depending where the apartment. is. Many musicians themselves wear earplugs. Others are so deaf from being blasted over the years that they have soundman turn them up....so their bandmates weat earplugs. One inexperienced soundman can ruin the ears of a musician in a split second.
Except people also heard it in the depot district.
And it really doesn't matter where the noise emanated from, except as a red herring.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on October 07, 2009, 02:22:43 PM
Except people also heard it in the depot district.
I can't speak to that.
Again, I think it was the dynamics of the location. I didn't hear it in North Pointe in previous years.
BRoWN's correct about the monitors, too.
I still think the previous location + baffling + decent Sunday hours = no complaints
Sounds like a somewhat good review on the restaurant, thanks for finding seebee's review. We may stop in there 1 day soon.
Yeah Brown it was loud all day, it shook the walls & rattled the windows. Now the apartment complex is old, but it takes something really booming to shake the walls & windows. The way the complex is set up every kind of louder sound echoes, so having said that, with the loud basses & just generally it being loud it bounced off everywhere & was just a pain. We for sure could have handled 2-3 hours, but 11 hours was a bit much, even with the 2-3 hours they didn't play for rain delays etc.. American English on Sunday evidently could be heard all over Berwyn, now that's pretty darn loud if people in the Depot District heard it pretty clear.
I would even be happy with them setting it up the same way next year, but not playing for 11 hours of the booms.
Bonster I was told by the director that they didn't want it on Gunderson as years past because they wanted it on North Berwyn. Now Gunderson is a block over, would that not still be North Berwyn?
Quote from: Diona on October 07, 2009, 02:41:57 PM
Bonster I was told by the director that they didn't want it on Gunderson as years past because they wanted it on North Berwyn. Now Gunderson is a block over, would that not still be North Berwyn?
Oooh...good point. I surrender!
:D ;D :D
In- ear monitors for the performers basically can totally delete sound onstage and behind the stage. Each performer can have his own individual mix with no bleed over from across the stage. As for FOH......no soundman should be blasting the volume to be heard a mile away
Third, Tony's biased cause this year's location was next to HIS office, not PAV
Bon I know you were just dying to say that........It would not have mattered. It would still be a good event for Berwyn.
Quote from: tony la on October 07, 2009, 03:45:08 PM
Bon I know you were just dying to say that........
I didn't realize it till I walked the streets via Google a couple hours ago.
Bad weather + cramped space + entering from Vacin Parkway I didn't even realize I was by ReMAX, lol...
That said, I'll take youse guys any day over PAV. (I did, actually)
With regard to the music being too loud, I think if an event is held in an area where there basically are no residents to disturb, you can be more flexible in sound. For instance, if a band is in the middle of the Morton West field, or behind the plaza. You do have ppl that live on Home across from the school, however, it's not like they are right ON TOP of the music.
For an event like Houby, the music should not be so loud as to make sure ppl who are at the complete opposite end of the route can hear it like if they were 50 ft. away. The sound level should be lower to DRAW PPL to COME to the stage area to hear the band, and once you walk away, you have a chance to get respite and actually have a conversation with someone without shouting.
It's like downtown. They have bands all through the summer at lunch time, yet none in all the years that I can remember made me want to run away because I just could not hear myself think. Yes, they have tall bldgs, but really the sound just bounces off. Instead, you hear faint sound of a band in the distance, and the idea is to draw you to the plaza they are playing at which is just a few blocks away. It's just loud enough.
This business of how loud is too loud should be looked at. Again, you should be able to start walking away from a bandstand, and at a reasonable distance, not have the band interfere with your ability to hear someone or talk to someone. It does not SOUND to me like this was the case. Please consider that many children go to these events. Babies too. Anyone that cares about their hearing SHOULD be concerned. You inform a band before they sign up that THIS IS THE LEVEL of sound that they CANNOT go beyond, whatever has been determined to be safe and not excessive, if that actually can be determined ahead of time. If it cannot be determined ahead of time, then you conduct a warm up test and someone knowlegable can then say, ok, that's just right ... or that's too much, turn it down, etc.
The recent Italian Fest behind the Plaza. For the most part you cannot hear the band all that well as you retreat from the bandstand and go toward the food and carnival / rides section. It's only as you walk up toward the bandstand that you begin to hear what is actually being played.
Bottomline is let ppl walk up to bandstand area to hear what is going on there. Once they begin to walk away it should diminish drastically so ppl can communicate. What exactly that sound level should be set at to accomplish that scenario ... I don't know. But they constantly test for sound before they play, so someone who DOES know how this scenario can be achieved can assist the band in making that happen, so that it is a SAFE (for your ears) and enjoyable experience for those attending and a considerate measure for those that reside right where the band is playing.
If you are a half a Cermak block away from the bandstand and have to struggle to hear what someone a few feet away from you is saying, it's too loud for an area that has residents living right on top of the bandstand.
that is so profound I think I will faint
Good post, bj.
Quote from: Bonster on October 07, 2009, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: Diona on October 07, 2009, 02:41:57 PM
Bonster I was told by the director that they didn't want it on Gunderson as years past because they wanted it on North Berwyn. Now Gunderson is a block over, would that not still be North Berwyn?
Oooh...good point. I surrender!
:D ;D :D
Diona, let me clarify just in case - the Gunderson location was on the south side of Cermak. That's the difference between N & S, and the point to which I was surrendering. ;)
I agree with what bj said too, good post.
Guess they really didn't give a shi** in this case, we are renters, who cares about renters. Anywho...it's over & I will do what I can at the town hall meetings concerning next year's Houby Day to get it put somewhere else or hey we just might move the month before the fest, let another renter be assaulted for hours on end. ;D
Bonster, no problem, I didn't realize Gunderson where they had the old band stages was the south side, my directions aren't always the best...LOL!