If anybody is interested in adopting a lovable, young, male Pitbull, please call A-American and refer to case number 08.
This poor li'l doggie was terribly neglected and was emaciated when he was rescued, but is now in the process of being nursed back to health. He is a very sweet, playful puppy and will provide lots o' lovin'.
Do we know his lineage?
If not, don't want him here.
All I can say is... he's quite a lovable guy...the female species really dig him -
He's a real chick magnet so TYRY probably would not appreciate all the attention you'd get from the local babes, while on your walks with him
Actually, my namesake wouldn't like the attn. In her eyes, I'm taken. ;)
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Dangerous Beast! (43 kb - 1024x768)
(Click to enlarge Bon Bon)
I think we've found the true explanation for crop circles!!! :)
Quote from: Bonster on February 21, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
Actually, my namesake wouldn't like the attn. In her eyes, I'm taken. ;)
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Dangerous Beast! (43 kb - 1024x768)
(Click to enlarge Bon Bon)
Aw Bon...break out the box o' kleenex...sniff, sniff - what a sweet sentiment
Bon, just make sure he doesn't like to eat candy.
Quote from: Crunchie on February 21, 2008, 10:41:20 AM
Bon, just make sure he doesn't like to eat candy.
haha...funny you say that.
Her AKC registration: StarCreek's Surprise Her with Candy . . .
So I should be bring MY dog over?
LOL!~
Candy is a sweetheart.
Bon Bon just looks like one.
Hey Pittielover, where'd you go? Haven't heard from you...I hope someone adopts this doggie before they put him to sleep.
Quote from: Bonster on February 21, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
Do we know his lineage?
If not, don't want him here.
Thats the problem!
If you don't know the lineage, there was been way too much inbreeding of pitbulls.
He's got a very sweet disposition...he's not a reeeeal young pup so I can see that he has a good temperament
I have a co-worker who has a pitbull and he is one of the nicest dogs I've met. My co-worker even has 2 small children and he fully trusts his pitbull with his kids.
Its a shame that pitbulls are the dogs of choice for gangbangers and drug dealers, these dogs have gotten such a bad rep.
They're the most popular breed at Suburban Animal Shelter on Southwest Highway. They have approx. 60 dogs there (as of Tuesday) and at least 40 of them are Pitt or Pitt mixes. Yeah, we just love those Pitt Bulls to death.
PLEASE...I beg of you...someone...I'm making a last ditch effort here...please, will someone adopt this adorable loving Pit, before they put him to sleep? I hate to see a good dog go down for no reason other than "No one had the time of day to go over to A-American and give this neglected sweetie a home"? I am at my limit of animals allowed per home, here in Berwyn or else I'd take him...
PLEASE
\Rita...
If you really want to continue the proliferation of Pit Bulls in Berwyn,
consider contacting the award recipient of the DCoB's "I Love Berwyn" raffle.
Quote from: Thor on February 22, 2008, 02:51:01 PMIts a shame that pitbulls are the dogs of choice for gangbangers and drug dealers, these dogs have gotten such a bad rep.
There's more to it than that. Do you own one?
This is why it is so important to spay & neuter your pets!
The animal shelters are overflowing with animals, most of whom will never be adopted and will end up being put to sleep.
Its really so sad!
Sorry I already have a house full of pets. and no I do not have any pitbulls.
just what berwyn needs, another pitbull
Kudos to you, BP, for understanding that the issue is temperment and training. I'm at Berwyn's legal limit, too, so I see just a couple of chances to save this guy. First, there is the breed rescue at 312-409-4577. The e-mail is info@cbbr.info. If that doesn't work, let me know how I can e-mail you and we can contact a friend who operates a rescue.
Quote from: Bungalow on February 24, 2008, 11:15:19 PM
Kudos to you, BP, for understanding that the issue is temperment and training.
...and the factors behind temperment are..........
For all the folks on this board that don't seem to know the difference between over breeding and inbred there is a difference. I suggest you get a dictionary and look it up. Most dogs that are called pit bulls are not. American Pit Bulls. How can these dogs be inbred when they are mixed with almost ever breed in the AKC. If I show you folks 10 different pictures of dogs and told you to pick out the so called pit bull you would not be able to.
Before you start playing God and condemning a breed at least know what you are talking about, you just show how ignorant you really are. I suggest you watch this clip from youtube all the way thru, it might educate you just a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSh8f8V66g
You can copy and past the above in your browser.
The Pit @ A-American looks like the one from that video, in the pic w/Michael J Fox...
Love the picture with Micheal Fox. Looks like a great dog.
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on February 21, 2008, 10:14:19 AM
If anybody is interested in adopting a lovable, young, male Pitbull, please call A-American and refer to case number 08-025.
This poor li'l doggie was terribly neglected and was emaciated when he was rescued, but is now in the process of being nursed back to health. He is a very sweet, playful puppy and will provide lots o' lovin'.
Sorry
I don't swing that way (although I have no beef against anyone that does).
ISO single (or neglected married) females who are not emaciated, but might need nursing back to health.
Pray to God I don't find a runaway.
M
That beautiful Pit has been adopted. He will now be loved and cared for!!!
Yes, another Pit in Berwyn!
Post some pix (if possible) so those heartless people who think of him as "just another Pitbull" can put a face w/the sweet, mistreated pup.
I will post some pics very soon. You know as well as I do, that some of these people are hopeless and a pic of these sweet baby will not change there mind.
He is doing very well, took him to the VCA today and got him some antibiotics and other meds. He should be doing find in about two weeks.
This is an adorable, sweet, loving little pittie with a terrific tempernent!
Yes, Berwyn you have another Pittie. We are going to nurse him back to Health and you will see us on the Streets of Berwyn for our daily walks.
As ghost said: he is one sweet loveable little boy. His condition would break your heart; it never ceases to amaze me the cruelty man inflicts on the innocent.
This little boy isn't even 1 year old and the most aggressive act he does is to lick you to death. He has already forgiven all the abuse he has suffered. He will do anything just to get a friendly word and a little love.
Wouldn't that be nice if we all could do that?
Someone once said you have nothing to fear but fear it self. Maybe all of you should look in your hearts and see what you are afraid of. Did this in Nam and it's wasn't quite so scary after that.
Will post pictures for the angels that let to his rescue, you really don't want to see him now, he really doesn't make a pretty picture..
He sounds like a great pet. My son rescued one from a shelter and it is just about the friendliest, happiest creature I have ever seen. People that think they're all killers need to open their minds and their eyes a little.
I agree with you. ghost and kpope have really done a great act of kindness and it shows that they have a really big heart, which alot of the folks here lack. I have 3 rescues and I don't even have to lock my doors. So Berwyn is real safe place to live.
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on February 27, 2008, 09:10:09 AM
Post some pix (if possible) so those heartless people who think of him as "just another Pitbull" can put a face w/the sweet, mistreated pup.
I'm on it. I was able to obtain a pic of this li'l sweetheart.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa238/mcr_312/Berwyn/facemaulingpit.jpg)
Really nice picture of a dog being bored and yawing. He actually looks like a nice dog. I take it you would be afraid of this dog who would probably lick you to death. Bonster you are right he does look like a little sweetheart.
Quote from: Bonster on February 28, 2008, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on February 27, 2008, 09:10:09 AM
Post some pix (if possible) so those heartless people who think of him as "just another Pitbull" can put a face w/the sweet, mistreated pup.
I'm on it. I was able to obtain a pic of this li'l sweetheart.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa238/mcr_312/Berwyn/facemaulingpit.jpg)
That's funny. This dog does not look at all like rescued pup who is the topic of this thread...new owners sent me a pic of him today.
This isn't even a picture of a mean dog. Just a bored dog. Look at his eye, he does look like a sweetheart.
Quote from: LL--Schmidt on February 28, 2008, 06:20:46 PM
That's funny. This dog does not look at all like rescued pup who is the topic of this thread...new owners sent me a pic of him today.
Post it, then.
Hi Bonster:
I don't know where you got that picture because that certainly is NOT the puppy I picked up at AAmerican. However, that is one beautiful dog. He looks adorable!
The puppy from AAmerican is much cuter though. He is still recovering from the fact that he was starved, beaten and treated like a piece of garbage. I know that you are probably very concerned over his health. I wouldn't want you to worry too much. He is now able to eat and drink water without throwing up because someone cared enough to stay up with him all night and feed him a little food every hour. I'm sure that he will soon have fur where all the bite marks and scars are. He had his second medicated bath and I'm sure that all the stains from laying in filith will fade. His back legs are now straightening out and all the fungus on his paws is beginning to clear up. He started his antibiotics yesterday to clear up the infections in his open wounds from all the bites and beatings he endured.
We will post some pics of him soon. If you are wondering about him, I took some pictures of him to AAmerican to show the staff there how far he has come in two days. If you can't wait you can go there and they will fill you in on his progress.
I'm sure you are eagerly waiting to see this adorable, loving and forgiving puppy! He will soon be taking his daily walks down the streets of Berwyn!!!!!
Thanks for battling the ignorance and rescuing this guy, ghost. Hope to see you while walking one of my great rescue dogs.
You won't see ghost with Mr. Wiggles. You will see me. ghost will be walking her own rescued Pit/Dane mix. He is a really big boy. You have to be careful he will lick you to death.
Mr. Wiggles is sleeping. He hated the kennel at first had to put in a thick wool blanket then he snuggled into it and fell a sleep. He whimpers and shakes in his sleep. Only God knows the horror this little boy and endured to survive. I gently wake him up and he just looks at me with his little sad eyes, and then snuggles back into the blanket.
Rita you did a really marvelous deed to rescue him. But, Berwyn needs to find another place to take the animals they pick up in Berwyn. A-American just continued to the horror this little boy has suffered.
He was kept in a cage to small for him, he was humped and he has lost all of his muscle tone. He was dehydrated and malnourish. They weighted in out at 28 lbs,
Just 3 days of food and water. He has filled out; you can't see his ribs and backbone as much He almost looks like a normal dog. A beautiful dog. After his bath with medicated soap his fur is no longer falling out. The scars are less visible now too.
A-American had him for 17 days and did nothing for him. I will post pictures of him when I have him 14 days and you will be amazed at the difference. He amazes me the difference in 3 days.
Thanks you Rita, L.L. Schmidt and of course Ghost you rescued him from A-American, because in a few more days he would have been dead for the mistreated given him at A-American.
I sure hope there isn't anyone here that takes their Pets there. I wouldn' trust them any further than I could throw and elephant. I wouldn't even let them give my Pets a treat.
I thought A-American was the only animal hospital that Berwyn took any strays too.
Berwyn does need it's own animal shelter. Cicero has one, why is Berwyn always one step behind?
Unless Berwyn has gotten a new vehicle to transport strays, what do they use?
Thank you for being so kind and heartful, your story made me sad.
Abuse is wrong, animal or human.
Quote from: Kpope on February 29, 2008, 03:22:14 AMI will post pictures of him when I have him 14 days and you will be amazed at the difference. He amazes me the difference in 3 days.
Mr. Wiggles story is sad, but not unusual, and A-American is only one of hundreds of shelters across the land which ignore the needs of their "rescues." Sadder yet are the stories of those not picked up, left to die under the watch of their abusers.
Why won't you post a pic now, so we can have "before and after" shots?
As you have noticed, I hardly come on this board to comment on anything. There is one thing that I feel the need to clear up.
Mr. Bonster has a bug up his ass about a particular organization in Berwyn. The name of this organization is call "Mothers on a Mission, Inc." This organization was opened by a mother of three children who have developmental disabilities. Her oldest, Ricky, has Down syndrome, her daughter Alexandra has Autism and her youngest, Tiffany, who was adopted, has Down syndrome, Autism, Heart problems, a portion of her lungs removed, hearing impaired and completely non verbal. She was recently rescued by the Berwyn Fire Department and Paramedics.
This organization provides famillies that are raising children with disabilities with support, education and resources as they try to get through the special education system. I know how hard it is to struggle with the Special Ed system while getting through the day to day efforts of trying to raise a child with a disability. Many don't know what it is like to raise our precious children, however this mom knows and has decided to help other families.
Bonster has decided to attack this organization due to the fact that the DCOB decided to donate to them through there "I Love Berwyn Event" the split the pot.
The reason the DCOB and Robert Lovero decided to do this was because he attended MOM's first annual Bowling Event and not only saw, but heard what these families go through on a daily basis. Robert and Tony talked with Cathy Bedard, the Founder and Director, and heard about the efforts of this new organization.
Bonster must have gone to the web site and saw that MOM, Inc. has on page 5 of their web site a section about adoptable dogs from Midwest Rescue. Midwest Rescue is an organization that goes to shelters and rescues Pit Bulls that are about to be euthanized. The organization then has the dogs termperment test and vetted before putting the dogs up for adoption. The owner of MOM, Inc has adopted from this organization and saw for herself what the dog did for her children and has had her dog trained as a Service Dog. In fact, her dog was one of the runners up in the Pro Plan Rally to Rescue Nationwide Event and was sent to California for three days to receive his award in front on thousands of attendees and movie stars. Yes, the dog is a Pit Bull/Dane Mix. The most danger you are in from this dog is being licked to death!!!!!!
Bonster has posted comments such as:
Feb 26th: They are garnering votes without a plan, based upon handshakes and a wink, paying folks at their fundraiser, including organizations which give pit bulls away in Berwyn. Read my signature - it was verified by your leader to my face. Truth.
Well Bonster: Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies!!!!!!!! This organization has NOt AND WILL NOT give, sell or adopt out any pit bulls. Has never done it and will never do it!!!!!!!!!
Jan 29th: "Mothers on a Mission-supported by Larry Dominick and DCOB, We sell pit bulls in Berwyn. I am a member of the City Council"
Once again Bonster: Lies, Lies. I'll give you one partial truth: Yes, Larry Dominick and his wife Elizabeth do support MOM, Inc. Larry Dominick has made sure that all families raising a child with a disability in Cicero have access to their community. He has started a wheel chair base ball team, his is remodling all the play grounds in Cicero to be handicapped accessible and putting handicapped accessible play equipment in the parks. He started a program in the Cicero Library for children with disabilities and made sure that there was toys for the children at the library too. (Yes, our children are not always welcome at their neighborhood libraries due to the noise they make)
He celebrates Developmental Disability Awareness Month in March. In fact, if your interested, you can attend this years event on March 4th at the New Community Building he built. The event will begin at 10:00 a.m. By the way, the new building has an elevator in the gym so the children with disabilities can get to the stage.
He holds education events at the President's Office for People with Disabilities for families raising a child with a disability.
Yes, Mr. Lovero decided to support the organization after he saw what Cathy has accomplished in one short year.
But Once Again: NO, MOTHERS ON A MISSION, DOES NOT SELL PIT BULLS.
Feb. 13th:
Please Attend the "I Love Berwyn" Party on Friday - "The DCoB is giving the proceeds of their raffle to an organization peddling Pit Bulls in Berwyn!"
Lets clear this up yet again. Yes, the DCOB did give the proceeds of the raffle to MOM, Inc. NO the organization does not peddle Pit Bull in Berwyn. Get it straight Bonster, before you post.
Feb. 15th,
Quote from Felix Greco
Well, enough of my long winded response, and its fime for me to get ready for the DCOB's "I Love Berwyn"
Quote from Bonster:
Have a good time, but please, do not support the prolifertion of Pit Bulls in our fair city. (don't contribute to the raffle)
Feb. 24th,
Rita.....
If you really want to continue the proliferation of Pit Bulls in Berwyn, consider contacting the award recipient of teh DCoB's "I Love Berwyn" raffle.
Feb. 25th,
I sure hope their lineage is known and they're not resuces from breeders. Are these from Mothers on a Mission? UH OH!
Now, really Bonster, what the hell is your issue. Let's make this clear once and for all, Mothers on a Mission, Inc., a very small, new organization, struggling to survive with only one objective: to help families that struggle daily to have some sort of a "normal" life while raising their very special child, has NEVER sold, given or adopted out any dogs!!!
Got it! Now get on with your life!!!
By the way, Mr. Wiggles is doing great. Wouldn't want you to worry about him!
Yay!!!
I knew, watching you spying my profile over and over, that you had something in for me.
Here's a thought. Change your web page. Oh! You did!
Tell me, ghost, why did you remove any inference to PIT BULLS from page one?
Embarrassed about the breed?
Maybe YOU don't give them away, but you peddle them on your web page, and by your previous posts here, it's obviously your breed of choice. Good luck garnering support for this. Like it or not, these dogs are a hot button topic in Berwyn.
I'm thoroughly confused here. What do pit bulls have to do with disabled children?
Comedy:
I'll give you one partial truth: Yes, Larry Dominick and his wife Elizabeth do support MOM, Inc. Larry Dominick has ...<sucking up to Larry D.>... New Community building he built.
Robert and Tony talked with Cathy Bedard, the Founder and Director, and heard about the efforts of this new organization.
Yes, Mr. Lovero decided to support the organization after he saw what Cathy has accomplished in one short year.
Yes...some fine organizations you align yourself with.
Yes, when I had that in my sig line, instead of coming to me like you finally have, you (or whomever- Cathy?) go crying to Tony. Tony and Robert had no clue you were peddling Pit Bulls on the Internet, but their typical response was to call the Bonster Complaint Hotline (and a few others) instead of coming to me...typically old guard.
what's the bonster complaint hotline?
can I call there also to lodge various complaints and grievances?
Quote from: SILK on February 29, 2008, 11:47:17 AM
what's the bonster complaint hotline?
can I call there also to lodge various complaints and grievances?
Ask Bobby.
Or delbowz. ;)
Quote from: delbowz on February 20, 2008, 02:54:01 PM
And now, everyone, please make sure the all lines are open on the bonster complaint hotline. Operators need to be standing by to take some calls.
who's delbowz?
bobby? I thought he was the sausage guy?
Quote from: ghost on February 29, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Bonster has decided to attack this organization due to the fact that the DCOB decided to donate to them through there "I Love Berwyn Event" the split the pot.
Nice spin. I never attacked M.O.M. I attacked the DCoB for for supporting an organization that clearly peddles Pit Bulls in Berwyn on behalf of midwest
rescueabull.org. I don't need to attack MOM.
In reading through the MOM website, www.mothersonamission.org (http://www.mothersonamission.org), it appears the mission of the organization is:
"Providing families with support, education and resources as they navigate their way through the special education system."
Truly an admirable mission, worthy of a 501c3 designation, and support from local politicians.
But page 5 confuses the message of the organization. It confuses the mission of the organization. It is unrelated and controversial.
I would support the mission of pages 1-3 of the organization, but not page 5. I understand that there is research that supports the therapeutic benefits of the interaction between dogs and disabled children. But I can't make the connection/leap from pages 1-3 to 5.
Bonster I know you got a bug up your ass... I went to MOM's Inc and checked out the website. To me it looks like they are really doing one Hell of a good job. With the special needs children.
They are only stating facts and offering other families the opportunity to find and rescue an abused dog to help the special needs children. Your post show just how consumed you are with hate. You have to hate something. The obvious choices are you hate your life and wife and wish you had the guts to change it. Or, your children are all shitheads and you are jealousy of others, or you just hate your life period.
Folk that take other people words and miss use them and twist them to suit there twisted mind are really sick individuals. After this last post I know you are. Bonster get a life.
I could go on and on, but it will serve no purpose. You are just one sick puppy. You need professional help.
I also heard you are a wan a be cop. You attend a couple citizen classes conducted by the Police and now you think you know everything there is to know about the Berwyn Police. It must have been a slow night you did the ride along or they would have had to clean and disinfect the squad, you would have messed all over yourself.
Well, Well, Mr. Ryan:
So glad to see you are interested in the Mom, Inc. Web Site. Please feel free to keep visiting the web site. Maybe you will learn something. Just in case you didn't paste it in your favorites spot: www.mothersonamission.org
What do Pit Bulls have to do with disabled children? Nothing. It is a just one of the many breeds of dogs who are extremely loyal and loving that do a wonderful job as a Service Dog. Anyone raising a child with a disability will tell you it is wonderful to have a service dog that can help on a daily basis. Our children live their lives without friends and having one that is so loyal and loving provides them with joy and companionship. On page 5 of the organization there is a post of many resources and information for families. Yes, we do include a pet adoption resource that people can use or discard.
Do you have any idea what these families go through. It is apparent that you don't. Thank God you don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You apparently are someone who could not handle it.
We spend the majority of our days worring. We are wading through mountains of paperwork, mostly medical bills. Many of us are trying to diaper our adult children or are attempting to lift our 100 pound child on to a toilet. We spend many sleepless hours at hospitals waiting for the results of test or wondering if this is the day our child is not going to make it. We have to cut through tons of red tape just to get the services we need for our children. Many of us have to spend our time at county hospitals because no insurance company is willing to cover our children. We are trying to feed a child that is unable to chew or feeding them through a G-Tube. Many of us that have children with Autism have to go days without sleep because our children don't sleep and we have to watch them so they don't do harm to themselves or another family member. We spend our lives sitting at home because our family and friends are too intimated or unwilling to help with childcare and state agencies that are designed to help are suffering with cutbacks. In short, these are families who are trying to patch up their broken dreams and attempting to have some sort of a normal life. They are trying to survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank God for agencies like Mothers on a Mission, Inc. that are willing to help.
I sure would like to know what you do for your community. You appear to be someone who enjoys trying to start trouble and stir the pot. Appparently you have nothing better to do with your life. Also noticed that you did not deny that you lied. From all the PM's I have recieved it is apparent that most people realize that you enjoy being an antagonist. Yes, the first page, as you so carefully noticed was changed. Keep checking back, you will see that it happens quite often. Yes, Pit Bulls are a hot button topic, that you so carefully quoted from someone who has left this board. It does not take away from the fact that the agency has never and will never sell, adopt or give away a pit bull or any other dog that you so ignorantly stated. Also noticed in your last post that you half heartedly attempted to back peddle. Why? Are you embarressed and ashamed that you attacked a non profit agency that is based in Berwyn that helps families raising a child with a disability? You never mentioned Midwest Rescue before? Did you decided to check the web site again? By the way, get your facts straight again, I never called Tony or Bobby. You can even subpeona my phone records and you will see that I did not call and Cathy Bedard did not call them either. Who told you that I did that.
I'm so happy I made your day by finally replying to all your ignorant and blatant lies. I will no longer take your bait and reply and let you continue to enjoy yourself.
Have a wonderful life Mr. Ryan. Continue on!!! By the way, keep editing your post and trying to back peddle! Most people have read this and know what you posted. My PM's show this to be a fact.
I do have to comment on this.... You take what you want and twist it around to fit your own twisted mind. You go completly off subject and string words together. Yes there are folks to vote for. All you have to do is read and comprehend what you read. Check out their records and see were they stand on issues you are passionate about.
I can't believe you are this stupid only fools want to start an argument over politics. Only fools get upset and act out stupidly when someone doesn't agree with their politics. Change people words around and call them a quote. You take things out of context and twist it the way you want it. Shame on you Bonster.
You are the monster here not the pit bulls.
Which by the way one will be walking the streets of Berwyn with me. Hope to meet a lot more folks with pit bulls walking their dogs out there too.
Quote from: Koss on February 29, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
The obvious choices are you hate your life and wife and wish you had the guts to change it. Or, your children are all shitheads and you are jealousy of others, or you just hate your life period.
Hey, maybe that's it! Thanks!
Quote
I could go on and on, but it will serve no purpose. You are just one sick puppy. You need professional help.
Must I remind you of your grand entrance to this board? Look at my sig line...just a few of your quotes long before anyone insulted you. I am not the one who needs professional help.
QuoteI also heard you are a wan a be cop. You attend a couple citizen classes conducted by the Police and now you think you know everything there is to know about the Berwyn Police. It must have been a slow night you did the ride along or they would have had to clean and disinfect the squad, you would have messed all over yourself.
LOL...hey, that's funny! I think I'd like you, sick mofo! haha...
No, don't want to be copper. Just getting involved. Tata!
Quote from: SILK on February 29, 2008, 11:47:17 AM
what's the bonster complaint hotline?
can I call there also to lodge various complaints and grievances?
That would be me and Scoon.
Quote from: ghost on February 29, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
Well, Well, Mr. Ryan:
What do Pit Bulls have to do with disabled children? Nothing.
I did not ask that question. Reading is a skill. Try again!
QuoteDo you have any idea what these families go through. It is apparent that you don't. Thank God you don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You apparently are someone who could not handle it.
I'd figure it out. Would I have a choice not to?
QuoteAlso noticed that you did not deny that you lied.
about what?
QuoteYes, the first page, as you so carefully noticed was changed.
Answer the question: why did you remove the PIT BULL reference?
Quotethat you so carefully quoted from someone who has left this board.
Not true. I haven't quoted anyone who's left this board untill now ("reading is a....")
QuoteAlso noticed in your last post that you half heartedly attempted to back peddle. Why?
Explain.
QuoteAre you embarressed and ashamed that you attacked a non profit agency that is based in Berwyn that helps families raising a child with a disability?
Again, Reading is a Skill. I did not attack MOM...I referenced the DCoB.
QuoteI never called Tony or Bobby. You can even subpeona my phone records and you will see that I did not call and Cathy Bedard did not call them either. Who told you that I did that.
I was told it was Cathy, and apparently you're not her.
QuoteHave a wonderful life Mr. Ryan.
Have a wonderful life Mr./Mrs. TooMuchofaCowardToPostThierName.
Quote from: Koss on February 29, 2008, 01:33:11 PM
I do have to comment on this.... You take what you want and twist it around to fit your own twisted mind. You go completly off subject and string words together. Yes there are folks to vote for. All you have to do is read and comprehend what you read. Check out their records and see were they stand on issues you are passionate about.
I have.
I have spoken with DCoB'ers, and found all my supposition here to be.....TRUE.
Hence, there's nobody for me to vote for at this time. Come again!
You all might want to go back and read Java's post.
I also spoke to Tony about this subject (in my role as the Bonster Help Line), and frankly seeing what the organization does, and the adoption of pitbulls...I didn't see how you get from A to B.
Unless you live under a rock, you'd realize pitbulls are a hot topic in Berwyn, mainly because of the shitheads who own them and use them for intimidation. I'm sure they are great dogs, given the right owner. But the vast majority of people I see walking around Berwyn with Pit Bulls probably haven't adopted them for service animals.
Which got me thinking...don't service animals need to be tested for temperment and put through special training? I think the whole service dog/pit bull link is a tenuous one at best. Why would you pick a controversial breed (nationally, not just in Berwyn) and link it to your organization?
A quick check of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_dog and the links off of there seem to show that most organizations use Labs or golden retrievers as service dogs. The promotion of pitbulls in Berwyn as service dogs naturally leads to confusion.
That was my first thought as well. WHY PIT BULLS? And why in Berwyn, of all places?
Because Pit Bulls are well known for their obedience, intelligence and pleasant nature making them an ideal candidate for therapy work.
I suppose a better question might be "why would you NOT pick a breed which is perfectly suited to work in therapy, simply because some people are prejudiced toward them?
Goodness...so much happens so quickly here! I come back after a brief absence and the controversy still lives. Rita...a very sweet thing you are doing trying to get that poor baby rescued. My question is , how did this become such a vicious attack on the Mother's on a Mission???? I know the founder of the organization and her family....you will never meet a nicer, more generous and loving person. Cathy Bedard has a heart of gold and certainly does not deserve to be so very maligned. I guess us pit bull people have to stick together.....I used to think all dog lovers are kind and compassionate...oh well, live and learn. As I have mentioned in the past, my husband and I have always had dogs in our home and our most recent addition(our little pittie mix) is one of the funniest, most lovable dogs it has been our privilege to love.
As I said over and over again, I am new to Berwyn, but whoa this is one hot topic. I have visited this particular topic a few times. Sounds like this little Mr. Wiggles is one lucky dog. Ghost and Kpope have done a wonderful thing.
This topic about Mothers on a Mission, Inc. is very interesting. Sounds like Bonster screwed up again. I'm not surprised.
I noticed one of his replys to "What does Pit Bulls have to do with Disabled children? Nothing" and Bonster(Mr. Ryan) comments I did not ask that question. Reading is a skill try again.
Well, I noticed that someone, besides, Mr. Ryan asked that question and ghost nicely answered. Also it is QUITE obvious in your post that you most certainly are back peddling trying to look good. You definetly have attacked this organization over and over as well as the DCoB.
As far as Pit Bulls being used as service dogs. Go on the internet and you will repeatedly see that they are trained and certified as service dogs all over the country
I can quote from the Pit Bull Facts vs Legend Website: (and this is just one of many)
Pit Bulls serve as therapy/service dogs. The Chako Rescue Association has pit bull therapy dogs in Texas, Utah and California. Helen Keller even had a Pit Bull as her canine companion and helper. Cheyenne and Dakota are a team of hard-working Search and Resuce Pit Bulls in Sacramento, CA. They play an important role in their community by locating missing people in conjunction with the local Sheriff. In their off duty hours they do charity work as therapy dogs.
Go to PitBullLovers.com and read Therapy Dogs - Pit Bulls make Great Therapy Dogs Despite Public Perception.
Did anyone read the People magazine article regarding Vicks Dogs that are now being trained as service dogs?
Many of you have not done your homework before posting. Yes, Labs and Golden Retrievers are used, but so are pit bulls because of their extreme loyalty and loving nature. Yes, all service dogs are temperment tested and trained and certified before becoming a service or therapy dog. Pit Bulls are commonly used as such. I can completely understand how to get from A to B for this organization if you just take of the blinders and get past the stupid fear of these dogs.
Hooray....our ranks are growing :) another pit lover joins the team......let's keep the voices of reason loud and maybe...just maybe some of the haters will see the light!!!!!
wow. what a coincidence. all the pit bull proponents find this site simultaneously.
no coincidence. anyone who does even brief research will quickly find the info.
Quote from: Allen on February 29, 2008, 03:39:19 PMThis topic about Mothers on a Mission, Inc. is very interesting. Sounds like Bonster screwed up again. I'm not surprised.
I noticed one of his replys to "What does Pit Bulls have to do with Disabled children? Nothing" and Bonster(Mr. Ryan) comments I did not ask that question. Reading is a skill try again.
That would be "replies."
So tell me, where did I screw up?
QuoteAlso it is QUITE obvious in your post that you most certainly are back peddling trying to look good.
Show me where. You can't.
QuoteYou definetly have attacked this organization over and over as well as the DCoB.
Again, show me where.
You can't. I criticized the DCoB numerous times, and deservedly so...if MOM is hurt by the association with them, so be it.
NOT ONCE have I attacked MOM.
THEY are the ones who took down the reference to PIT BULLS on their web site, and likely due to pressure from the DCoB.
QuoteI can quote from the Pit Bull Facts vs Legend Website: (and this is just one of many)
I can quote as well:
http://www.realpitbull.com/ownership.html
Do not get a Pit Bull if you are not prepared to deal with animal-related aggression. Pit Bulls are normally very aggressive towards other dogs and small animals. Early training and socialization helps to curb this tendency, but there is no "fix" for a dog that is predisposed to aggression towards other animals. If you are of the type who likes to have a dog that will mingle peacefully with other dogs, visit the off-leash dog park, etc., the Pit Bull is not for you. QuoteBonster(Mr. Ryan)
Come on tough guy, out yourself. Bet you won't.
To all you who think you're so clever in posting my name here, you're really not.
I've posted it before. ;)
Don't be shy...tell us who you are.
<y a w n>
Bonster...Bonster....Bonster....I'm sure you are really a nice person, albeit a rather negative one. This is in response to your quote about pit bull ownership....sure you can find negative things to say about any dog. As far as their tendency to attack other dogs and smaller animals...we have dogs and cats and our little pittie mix has yet to ripped anyone apart!!!! and no, we who work with the pitties do not recommend bringing them to dog parks because most owners don't pay attention to their own dogs and pit bull/pit bull mixes are held to such high standards that if another dog becomes aggressive (which happens all too often) the piities are always to blame.
Are pitbulls the ONLY or BEST breed of service dogs?
to Silk....depends on the training. pit bulls at one time were the dogs of choice, but over time the labrador has taken over as top dog...
so why not promote labradors?
Well Mr. Ryan, Reading is a skill. My name is quite obvious. Allen Proffitt. I never hid it. I posted under my real name, unlike you.
Silk grow up. Of course not and no one is saying that. There are many breeds of dogs that can be used as service dogs. It just so happens that since this dog is so maligned and has such a bad rep that many people find it interesting that they are trained as service/therapy dogs. There is good and bad in all dogs and in people too. That you can find out just by reading the BTF.
Back to Mr. Bonster: Go back over all your post and the ones Ghost posted. Is that all you can say: Show me, Prove it. Sounds like a three year old. You got busted and according to Ghost many people on this board know it.
I personally don't promote any service dog over another. I just happen to be one of the lucky to have a pittie in my life and volunteer with a bullybreed rescue. Pit bulls are the most maligned dog and I have always been one for the underdog.....raised in Southern California in the '60's....liberal parents....protesting....blah,blah,blah.
Mr Proffitt,
Go take a hike. I asked a simple question. A SIMPLE ANSWER WOULD DO. If you want to play cutesy, do it with someone else.
What you and some others find "interesting" others find quite dangerous, especially those with children.
Excuse me Silk. I didn't mean to be so rude. I think I just was caught up in the topic and was a bit irritated with some to things that are said here.
I just don't feel like taking a hike today. Too cold. ;D
Quote from: Allen on February 29, 2008, 04:17:46 PM
Well Mr. Ryan, Reading is a skill. My name is quite obvious. Allen Proffitt. I never hid it. I posted under my real name, unlike you.
...like I was supposed to know your last name from your screenname of "Allen." Nice work.
Quote from: Allen on February 29, 2008, 04:17:46 PM
Back to Mr. Bonster: Go back over all your post and the ones Ghost posted. Is that all you can say: Show me, Prove it. Sounds like a three year old. You got busted and according to Ghost many people on this board know it.
Mr. Allen: the one who sounds like three-year old would be someone who claims I got "busted" or was "back-peddling," yet cannot show me where.
YOU are simply taking what ghost wrote and rehashing it, yet you have no clue what he/she was talking about in that regard.
Here's an idea: come up with something original. And I'm still waiting for you to respond to my previous question.
Hi! I have received many phone calls regarding the Berwyn Talk Forum today. I came on as a guest to see what all the ruckus was about. Brian, thank you for registering me so quickly. I appreciate that.
First, I would like to thank the many people that said so many nice things about my organization. I can see that Ghost decided it was time to speak up and that is fine with me.
I'm not going to try to go over everything that was said. I'm sure most people can see that Mothers on a Mission, the DCOB and Larry Dominick etc. had many comments made about them, and most intelligent adults will know what is the truth and what isn't. It really doesn't matter anyway, people come to their own conclusions about these things.
However there are a few things I would like to comment on. I remember the first time I came on as a guest and I saw Bonster, Mark Ryan, use Mothers on a Mission, Inc. in his sig. I did not call Robert or Tony. I did call another friend about this because I was concerned about how the DCOB would be perceived since I do have Midwest Rescue on my Web Site. I was later informed that it was Mark Ryan and no one was really worried about it. I thought about calling him personally and then was informed that it would have been a waste of time. Lord knows that there just doesn't seem to be enough time in the day as it is, why waste it.
Yes Mark, I did remove the word "Pit Bull" from page one of my web site. (thank you for visiting) Why? Because if anyone took the time to look at Midwestrescueabull.org you would see that they do not only adopt out pit bulls, they adopt out many mixed breeds. (it had nothing to do with the DCOB) They specialize in rescuing pit bulls, but they don't turn away too many other dogs either. However, right now they are at their capacity of dogs. Why do I put Midwest Rescue on the web site. I don't think this is anyone's business, but since it is on everyones mind. I adopted "Indy" from them. My "Indy" was thrown out of a car in Indiana at a Truck Stop. He was rescued and brought to Midwest Rescue. My daughter, Alexandra, who has Autism, met Indy at PetCo in Riverside. The two of them fell in love with each other. After fostering Indy for two weeks we decided to adopt him. He has been an absolute joy in our home. He is a Pit/Dane mix and is a wonderful service dog. Yes, service/therapy dogs have to go through training etc. Another reason they are on my web site. I put a great deal of resource information on page 5. Page 5 is loaded with a lot of information that families can choose to use or discard.
Also, Mark, I see that you enjoy a game of semantics. Have you ever looked up the word "peddle" in the dictionary. It does mean sell. When you state "but you peddle them on your web page" that is not true. I have never sold a pit bull or any dog for that matter. Proliferation, have you looked that up? It means reproduce or produce new growth. I don't have backyard breeders at my office. Never have, never will! The best one is " including organizations which give pit bulls away in Berwyn"
That was is quite a laugh. And you even add the word- Truth! I had a good laugh at this one. I wonder who your source is. They also need to check their facts.
I have never given away a dog of any kind!!!!
Another funny one is "sucking up to Larry D." I found this one to be hilarious!!! You are quite funny! No one has to "suck up to Larry or his wife". I have never had to suck up to anyone. Maybe that's how you get by in life, but I certainly have never had to do that. You apparently don't know him or his wife or you wouldn't have posted this one.
LOL.
Now Mark will have his fun talking about things like: Wow, Cathy has a dictionary and show me where I attacked your org. etc. etc. We can all see that Mark has fun "back peddling" and trying to save face. Yeah, we all know he is going to say "show me where I'm back peddling" It is so obvious, it's funny. Have a good time!
Again, thanks everyone who said such nice things about MOM, Inc. Ghost sent me all the PM's he received. It was really nice to see so many people in Berwyn care!
Just a question Cathy-why are you worried how the dcob is perceived and what is said about Larry Dominick? The rest of your post was informative. Thanx for the input.
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on February 29, 2008, 07:26:36 PM
I thought about calling him personally and then was informed that it would have been a waste of time.
Who told you that?
For the record, I was told you went crying to Tony about my sig file.
Oh, and one more thing. Why post if you're told not to worry about it and contacting Mark is a waste of time? And who told you not to worry about it, its just Mark Ryan?
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on February 29, 2008, 07:26:36 PMAnother funny one is "sucking up to Larry D." I found this one to be hilarious!!! You are quite funny! No one has to "suck up to Larry or his wife".
So you ARE ghost, aren't you? I was speaking of ghost there, so it appears you've shown your hand.
Hi Silk:
Good Question: Larry Dominick and Elizabeth are very supportive of families raising a child with a disability. The two of them have made huge changes in Cicero to include these families. When I met him he was very interested in MOM, Inc. and offered to help in anyway.
When Robert Lovero came to my bowling banquet I was amazed at the questions and interest in the organization and the families from Berwyn that were in attendance.
Anyone who is interested in helping families that are raising children with disabilities and their families, and making change in the community has my admiration.
Another good question Silk. As I stated earlier, I received many phone calls about this topic today. I thought it would be nice to come on and clear up some misunderstandings.
Grasping at straws again, aren't you Mark. Ghost works closely with Mothers on a Mission, Inc. I was just commenting on how funny you are to think that anyone would have to suck up to Larry Dominck.
Why do you and Silk care so much about who told me it would be a waste of time to call you. It is quite obvious that they were right.
Can you let it go now?
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on February 29, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
Grasping at straws again, aren't you Mark. Ghost works closely with Mothers on a Mission, Inc. I was just commenting on how funny you are to think that anyone would have to suck up to Larry Dominck.
Well, ghost did...reread his/her post.
Quote
Why do you and Silk care so much about who told me it would be a waste of time to call you. It is quite obvious that they were right.
Can you let it go now?
Oh, but I don't. You were the one who stated such, and I can tell you that anyone who's spoken with me will tell you I do not a waste their time.
Bear,
You can go take a hike as well. Put down the beer.
Quote from: Bear on February 29, 2008, 07:56:33 PM
Bons, you are a muther fucking stupid arse. You fucked up ROYALLY today. MOM explained
its mission and you still continued to pound, and pound relentlessly.
pound and pound? it's called responding to allegations you fucking moronic follower.
Never once did I directly say anything about MOM, other than in reference to the DCoB, and never ONCE did I disparage them with regards to their mission, just their peddling of Pit Bulls in our fair city.
DUHH!!!!!
Quote from: Bear on February 29, 2008, 07:56:33 PMIt FUCKING
embarrasses me that you are a FUCKING Berwynite.
Many have similar sentiments about you, big boy.
QuoteMy apologies to the rest of the board for my language here, but it was best to do via the keyboard
instead of an inch away from Bonsters face...The situation would has escalated with unpleasant result.
Ooohhh! Tough guy!
I thought that if I came on the BTF and this particular topic I could de-escalate the whole issue. Apparently I was wrong.
Bear, thank you!!!
Mark, can you let it go now? Everyone can read what was said and they will come to their own conclusion.
This is ridiculous. People want info about a potentially dangerous bred of dog, amd it escalates into a cursing match.
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on February 29, 2008, 08:12:59 PM
Mark, can you let it go now? Everyone can read what was said and they will come to their own conclusion.
You are the one who hasn't let it go. I will continue to respond to the lies and absurdity of idiots like Bear.
Next up:
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on February 29, 2008, 07:26:36 PMAnd you even add the word- Truth! I had a good laugh at this one. I wonder who your source is. They also need to check their facts.
I have never given away a dog of any kind!!!!
Wrong context. The truth, as quoted by ghost, was in reference to this:
Quote from: Bonster on February 26, 2008, 11:51:11 AM
They are garnering votes without a plan, based upon handshakes and a wink, paying folks at their fundraisers, including organizations which give pit bulls away in Berwyn. Read my signature - it was verified by your leader to my face. Truth.
I will inform you that my signature line changes almost daily, and in the context of that post, it had nothing to do with MOM and the DCoB, and everything to do with the DCoB not having any plans for this city's future. It appears to me someone else (ghost) needs to check their facts. I will not remake that day's sig, but you can get an idea what I was referring to be reading post 85 from the dormer thread.
Cathy Bernard, I do commend you and your organization for all the hard work , care and love you have put into
making MOM the success it is becoming. This kind of organization takes a special person or persons to make it work.
Again you are that.
Keep up the faith and good work you are doing. I wish you and yours the best. Pat Raymond
Pat, Thank you! Your comments are very kind and appreciated.
Bear,
You're going to hibernate for a while. I'm removing your entire profanity laced post.
I'd think you would feel you embarrassed yourself, but clearly that would be a false assumption.
To the rest of you:
I realize this is a hot topic. I also think things are rather muddied up between pit bulls and a social service organization and a town president and a local political party.
PLEASE keep it civil, and also realize that he said she said quickly becomes boring...your message will just get ignored.
Thanks,
Brian
I would like to close this topic with the following.
Cathy you are doing one great job with the Children, keep up the good work. The good folks of Berwyn do not comprehend that they will have a whole generation of children in the next 10 to 15 years that have disabilities. Who will take care of them if they don't learn to help themselves, and remain uneducated?
It is not just Berwyn; it is all over the Country. In England they call them the "Nanny Dog" go and check it out, just Google Nanny Dogs. Only here in American are these dogs hated. Everyone should know there is no such breed as a Pit Bull, any dog that looks like it might have some American Pit Bull or one of the other Bully Breeds, it is then called a Pit Bull. Most are not even Pit Bulls. I could show you 20 pictures and tell you to pick out a Pit Bull and you would not be able to do so. I went to www.midwestrescueabull.org. They have some links there that will give you some really good information on the Bully Breeds, not just the so called Pit.
Maybe the folks here in Berwyn should turn all this hostility and hate towards the gangs.
This is the real problem in Berwyn, not the dogs. The gangbangers don't think the so called Pit that they seem to have chosen isn't mean enough. The backyard breeders are now doing Hybrids. i.e. They are cross breeding small little dogs that are people and dog aggressive with a bully breed dog. So, the backyard breeders are the ones that need to be a stopped. But, the good folks of Berwyn, especially the North End of Berwyn just don't see this or report them.
Why?
Oh, my the way, I am the one that has Mr. Wiggles not Koss. Don't know him, but I think I would like to.
Mr. Wiggles is a delight and is responding really well with the medication from VCA. He has put on about 8 to 10 lbs already with just food, water and loving care. I can't wait for warmer weather to start walking him here in Berwyn.
Quote from: Kpope on March 01, 2008, 12:23:11 AM
But, the good folks of Berwyn, especially the North End of Berwyn just don't see this or report them.
Why?
Well, gee...if you don't see them, how can you report them?
Let me point you to an example of a Northsider dealing with Pit Bulls, backyard breeding, and the cops:
Quote from: littlealexa on February 28, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
The police would come and go, initially the folks had 6 dogs, upon us calling our neighbors had to get rid of some. So 2 dogs went next door (somehow the families were related). I think the police made them get rid of the 2, however, they were still next door. It seemed they would breed the dogs because they would bring the male to mate with the females and they would watch and yell words of encouragement to the dog; totally gross in my opinion. The police were constantly visiting them due to calls from me and my next door neighbor (his SUV came under attack by the dogs at one point). I recall one time in the summer the guy was yelling at one of the dogs cause it gently bit one of the kids (maybe 6 years old).
Quote from: littlealexa on February 28, 2007, 09:07:50 AMThe folks initially had 4 pitbulls, some of which constantly escaped. I was chased by one at one time, another time a puppy came into my garage. I called the police, my next door neighbor would call the police. The police would constantly be at that house, one time the officer ran into his SUV and closed up his windows as one of the dogs came running towards him. I have a little son and a yorkie terrier, I therefore, was looking out for their safety.
Bear will be back, he got 2 days in the "Big Cave", that's something like "The Big House.""
He's O.K. with that, the punishment fit the crime, he's sorry for losing it, but would probably
do it all over again. He sends his love!! LOL.
What are you, his messenger? (http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=1578.0)
Perhaps just acting as Bear's Cyrano de Bergerac
That wouldn't make sense unless it was Bear speaking for Berwyn Patsy.
Or are you saying Berwyn Patsy and Bear are lovers not (yet) realized?
Hi Bonster:
Noticed your sig today. Can't let it go, can you? Just like a little kid. That's alright, just goes to show what an immature person you are, as Bear referenced in his post.
Yes, I had the joy of reading his post before Oak Park Spartan took it down.
Your right, "there is no such thing as "back peddling" but you have shown that when your cornered you will back track and do everything you can to try to convince people that your are "blameless, or that you didn't mean it, and better yet, your were misunderstood".
Nice job Bonster, but people can see through you.
Now, go ahead and do your posting of "prove it", "show me", as we are all so used to seeing. Oh yeah, and do your cut and paste that we have all grown so tired of.
Can't let it go, can you Allen?
I haven't back tracked on anything, nor posited that I was misunderstood. I only insinuate that most of you cannot read very well.
FYI- it's "you're," not "your." ...guess you can't write, either.
Nice job, Allen, but people can see you and your Pit Bull Parade had only one intention in coming here: character assassination against someone who never uttered one word towards any of you.
And not one of you will answer a question when posed, specifically you. You back down...err, uhh...no..."back peddle."
(no cut and paste necessary)
Quote from: Allen on March 01, 2008, 12:28:33 PM
Oh yeah, and do your cut and paste that we have all grown so tired of.
Wow, what is this? Jump all over Bonster week? Who are the "we" you are speaking of in your quote?
FYI, there is a difference between cut-and-paste (of which Boris is the king) and using the quote button to quote someone's post in order to respond to them.
It is useful when following a discussion thread to see the quote that someone is responding to. That's not the same as cutting-and-pasting opinions from other sites.
btw, welcome to the board.
Ted
You better go back and edit . It's posted not "posited".
Keep putting a spin on it, Bonster.
Character Assassination, what a joke you are. Don't give yourself so much credit.
Okay Bonster is the "Quote" King.
No, it's "posited," not "posted."
I wouldn't expect you to understand that, though. :D
Keep digging your hole...
Bonster:
Your "posit" is not a fact or truth.
Damn, I am gone for a few days and the whole board explodes. Glad to see other folks are tired of the old Bonster Bull Dog.
Bonster I have never seen an adult as juvenile as you. You can't post anything without you stupid cut and paste. Have you ever written a whole paragraph with out a cut and paste? Hey, may Cathy can help you and show you were there are resources to help you. You must have a mental disorder. I am sure there is help out there for you, Ask Cathy.
Again you are attaching the pit bulls. Don't you know there isn't a breed call a pit bull?
The closes thing to a Pit Bull, is the American Pit Bull and we don't have that many of them in Berwyn or even in the Country. The Pit/Mix that you are condemning so much is nothing but a Mix Breed Dog. There are many Bully Breeds and this is what you are condemning.
So, Berwyn should ban all Mix Breed Dogs. You should go and Google the Breeds and learn something before you shoot you mouth off.
I have to say, you act like a young Bull Dog that hasn't been taught any manners and has a bone and won't let go of it. I also read Bear's comments Kudos to Bear, how many others here echo his remarks? I do. Cathy seems like a really nice caring person. Why are you attaching her and her organization? The only reason I can see is that you have a mental disorder that needs fixing.
Allen:
Thanks for looking the word up. Next time do that before correcting me.
Bonster:
You should do that first, but glad to help.
WARNING! CUT AND PASTE TO FOLLOW!!!
Quote from: Koss on March 01, 2008, 12:52:36 PM
You must have a mental disorder.
Typical Koss, ladies and gentlemen. (though he may be right!)
Quote from: Koss on March 01, 2008, 12:52:36 PM
I also read Bear's comments Kudos to Bear, how many others here echo his remarks? I do.
That I should be beat up? Talk about juvenile! ???
Quote from: Koss on March 01, 2008, 12:52:36 PM
Don't you know there isn't a breed call a pit bull?
pittiemom58 seems not to have a problem calling them that. :)
Quote from: pittiemom58 on February 29, 2008, 03:03:50 PM
I find yet another discussion re: my beloved pitbulls (generic term)...
...while my most well behaved pittie is such a good girl...
If you own one and love it that gives you the right to call it a Pittie. If you don't then get your breeds straight. Do you own a Mix Bully Breed Dog? We that love the Bully Breeds have the right to call our dogs whatever we want. And an A - - like you does not.
Again you are quoting only single lines because you can't put a complete sentence together let a lone a paragraph. You have to quote out of context and make it sounds like something else. I really believe you have a mental disorder that needs to be fixes.
I really believe you have a mental disorder that needs to be fixes.
Are you saying I need to be...
http://www.youtube.com/v/vXK0Hjfkrgw
Institutionalized?
ALL I WANTED WAS A PEPSI!!!
Cute.. It is funny.
Bon-
As a guy who grew up skating in California in the 80's, you just made my day.
-Rob
Bonster, you asked if I was Bears messenger. I was indeed, got a problem with that too?
Your unnecessary highly offensive remarks ("Or are you saying Berwyn Patsy and Bear are
lovers not (yet) realized"?) should get you a time out also, until you get your mind back and cool off.
Your way out of control, and starting to cross that line in my opinion.
Quote from: Bonster on March 01, 2008, 11:44:22 AM
That wouldn't make sense unless it was Bear speaking for Berwyn Patsy.
Or are you saying Berwyn Patsy and Bear are lovers not (yet) realized?
TyRy, send him to the garage.
Ok, all you pit bull lovers pay attention. Talk about the issue all you want, but it seems to me that there is a concerted effort to come on this board and attack one individual. I don't like that.
You are more than welcome to continue the discussion, but what I'm seeing out of a few of you is becoming tiresome. Lay off the personal attacks.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Brian
WOW. It took how long for somebody to state the absurdly obvious?
What rock did all these people crawl out from under?
These forums do degenerate into attacks on individuals and veer WAY off track. Bonster, I'm sure you're basically a good person, but really dude, leave Cathy Bedard alone. Unless you have met her and spoken to her (and her wonderful family) for any length of time....you just do not have clue one what a truly special person she is. And getting back to our beloved "pit bulls".....unless you have known and loved one......you will really never get it. And more's the pity!
can anyboy answer as to why the website ws altered?
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 01, 2008, 03:35:21 PM
These forums do degenerate into attacks on individuals and veer WAY off track. Bonster, I'm sure you're basically a good person, but really dude, leave Cathy Bedard alone. Unless you have met her and spoken to her (and her wonderful family) for any length of time....you just do not have clue one what a truly special person she is. And getting back to our beloved "pit bulls".....unless you have known and loved one......you will really never get it. And more's the pity!
But put yourself in the position of a family with small children who lives across the street from someone who has a pitbull that occasionally gets out and runs around the neighborhood. I have spoken to the mother in this family and she is scared to death to let her kids play in the front yard because an irresponsible 17-year old across the street has a pit bull that she doesn't take care of.
Or, take some friends of mine who live next door to a family that owns several pit bulls who bark and jump at her every time she goes into her back yard or goes to throw out the garbage. She says there is feces all over the yard, which brings the smell into HER house.
Not all pitbulls are lovable and there are irresponsible people in Berwyn who own pitbulls. There have also been several instances in the last few years of pitbulls attacking children.
The family I spoke of above have talked about moving out of Berwyn because that damned pit bull - not because of their neighborhood; not because of the schools; but because they are scared to death of a damned pit bull.
I like rbain's idea of mandatory neutering.
Ted
Quote from: SILK on March 01, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
can anybody answer as to why the website was altered?
... that is a rhetorical question, isn't it?? ::)
:D ;D :D
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 01, 2008, 03:35:21 PM
Bonster, I'm sure you're basically a good person, but really dude, leave Cathy Bedard alone. Unless you have met her and spoken to her (and her wonderful family) for any length of time...
pittiemom58, with all due respect, the last time I responded to Cathy was yesterday.
I do believe she's probably a wonderful person, but in my opinion misguided in promoting that breed in Berwyn.
Thank you for giving the possibility that I'm not (entirely) a monster, again.
You are clearly the most level-headed pittie lover I've seen on this forum.
ps. anyone with a shred of search skills can ascertain my favorite dogs on the block (other than mine, of course!).
Orland Patsy, I should have added the sarcastic smiley next to that post. I know u think I'm a crazy A-- but come on.
Did you even get it?
I think the gang of four is misconstruing a reference to MOM with an attack on Cathy. Those are 2 different concepts, don't make them into the same thing. Also, y'all would be a lot more palatable if you would fix your grammar and spelling.
Quote from: java on February 29, 2008, 12:32:13 PM
In reading through the MOM website, www.mothersonamission.org (http://www.mothersonamission.org), it appears the mission of the organization is:
"Providing families with support, education and resources as they navigate their way through the special education system."
Truly an admirable mission, worthy of a 501c3 designation, and support from local politicians.
But page 5 confuses the message of the organization. It confuses the mission of the organization. It is unrelated and controversial.
I would support the mission of pages 1-3 of the organization, but not page 5. I understand that there is research that supports the therapeutic benefits of the interaction between dogs and disabled children. But I can't make the connection/leap from pages 1-3 to 5.
I think this post sums it up quite nicely. The message is confusing.
I haven't heard one peep about the mission of MOM. It is the pit bull part that leaves people scratching their heads.
Pit Bulls serve as therapy/service dogs. The Chako Rescue Association has pit bull therapy dogs in Texas, Utah and California. Helen Keller even had a Pit Bull as her canine companion and helper. Cheyenne and Dakota are a team of hard-working Search and Resuce Pit Bulls in Sacramento, CA. They play an important role in their community by locating missing people in conjunction with the local Sheriff. In their off duty hours they do charity work as therapy dogs.
Go to PitBullLovers.com and read Therapy Dogs - Pit Bulls make Great Therapy Dogs Despite Public Perception.
Did anyone read the People magazine article regarding Vicks Dogs that are now being trained as service dogs?
Many of you have not done your homework before posting. Yes, Labs and Golden Retrievers are used, but so are pit bulls because of their extreme loyalty and loving nature. Yes, all service dogs are temperment tested and trained and certified before becoming a service or therapy dog. Pit Bulls are commonly used as such. I can completely understand how to get from A to B for this organization if you just take of the blinders and get past the stupid fear of these dogs.
I don't think it is really that confusing at all. Sounds like MOM, Inc. had a relationship with an organization and decided to put it on her web site. One person ( who will remain nameless )decided to misinterpret it as some kind of pit bull operation being run in Berwyn that is being supported by a political party. Not true! What is really funny is that it is on Page 5 of the web site, all the way at the bottom of the page. I'm sure hardly anyone goes that far into the web site. Also, I too attended the "I Love Berwyn" event and there was not one word mentioned about pit bulls. Cathy's husband delivered a wonderful speech that focused completely on children with disabilities. MOM, Inc. had literature available and once again, not one word about pit bulls or dogs of any kind. It was a very nice evening with wonderful people. I think everyone had a very good time. The raffle completely sold out.
Sounds like you're pushing a political agenda in the last few sentences there.
I could care less about all that. Hat I want to know is why not labs or other breeds as service dogs? and who told Ms Bedard not to bother with Bonster?
I am not pushing any political party. I certainly would not want to get into any discussion about politics. :)
I don't think Cathy will ever disclose who told her to not waste her time with calling Mark Ryan. Does it really matter? ???
As I said, when I read Cathy's post here, she explains that she had a wonderful experience with Midwest Rescue and put them on her web-site. As I also mentioned, it is all the way on page 5 and at the very bottom of the page. No one is saying that anyone should run out and adopt a pit bull.
As Cathy has stated, she has never sold, given away or adopted out any pit bulls. It is kind of ridiculous how all of this has gotten blown out of proportion. It certainly did start with someone's sig. The DCoB decided to do something nice by donating a "split the pot" and it turned into the DCoB supporting pit bulls. That is absolutely, totally absurd. Also, MOM, Inc. is not out there promoting pit bulls.
Why won't Cathy disclose who gave her that bit of advice? And why and how did she know to call this person? I think the answers to these questions will shed a lot of light on the matter.How Bonster is the bad guy in all this is beyond me when he simply echoes the sentiment of most Berwynites.
My understanding, and I really don't want to speak for Cathy, hopefully she will come back online to confirm this, she was upset when she saw Mark Ryan's sig. Once again, it is my understanding, she called a friend of hers. This person made some calls. Someone callled Cathy and told her not to worry about what anyone thought. She asked if she should speak to Mark about this and they told her that it was not necessary etc. etc.
I really don't believe that Mark echoes the sentiment of most Berwynites. Does everyone believe that one very small orginization that has a blurb about dogs for adoption is going to cause Berwyn to become overrun with pit bulls? I think the citizens of Berwyn are too intelligent for that. :o
OK...what exactly is the sentiment of most of the wonderful people who live in Berwyn????? I must have missed something, because I believe many more people besides those that post on this site, actually live in beautiful Berwyn! Are we discussing the much maligned pit bull/pit bull mixes.....Cathy Bedard.....MOM......what exactly is the general sentiment we are actually discussing?????
Midwest Rescue is a small and caring rescue.....I happen to have adopted my pittie mix from them. They are really great folks and do their best to insure loving homes for their rescues. I now volunteer with another rescue and they are just as hard working and do their best to TRY to educate the general public about the many, many attributes of the so called "bully breeds".
you didn't answer my question. Who is the mysterious person Cathy talked to. and why all the secrecy? the more u avoid the question, the less credible your position becomes.
Silk:
I don't really understand the need to know? Why don't you explain the need to know who Cathy spoke with? What bearing does it have on this bizzare situation.
Also, you didn't answer Pittiemom58.
It means everything, since I was the one being hunted.
Bonster
Explain why you think you were being "hunted". That does not make any sense. Are you upset because Cathy was told not to bother calling you? I just don't get it.
You seemed to be the one attacking a little agency and the DCob for supporting children with disabilities. One little post on a web site is not going to turn Berwyn into a pit bull haven. It really doesn't make sense.
Of course you don't get it.
The details are really none of your business, but quite germane to the issue.
Quit telling me I "attack" M.O.M. I attacked the DCoB. If it was due to their web site, so be it.
I see Cathy said her piece and stopped a long time ago, but the rest of you haven't.
Get over it.
The sentiment is that there are plenty of other reasonably avilable breeds of rvice dogs without natural proclivities to violence and aggression. And the further sentiment is that, for the most part, pit bulls are unwanted in this City all things considered, irrespective of how fuzzy and heart warming Ms Bedards story is, especially by those with children.
Now, lets get back to my question-who exactly "advised" Cathy, how, and why?
Do you have any idea how paranoid you sound. ;D
Why is that name so germane to the issue. Do you feel a need to attack them too.
I went to the DCoB website. What is on there that would cause you to attack them?
I think you need to get over it. Someone told her that she didn't need to speak to you, that it would be a waste of time. What is the big deal about that.
Silk:
Let's get back to the question:
Who advised Cathy: Why the need to know?
How: By phone
Why: Go back and read her post. I think she explained it very nicely
Again: You and Bonster sound very Paranoid
I went to the DCoB website. What is on there that would cause you to attack them?
Stop now while you're behind.
You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Bonster:
I don't see the need to stop. Maybe you need to stop and explain yourself.
Why do you need to know? It is one very simple question.
Quote from: Allen on March 01, 2008, 07:55:44 PM
I don't see the need to stop. Maybe you need to stop and explain yourself.
Why do you need to know? It is one very simple question.
One very simple answer: It's none of your fucking business.
You obviously cannot put 2+2 together.
And I don't
need to know. I'd like to know.
I asked
once, and got a non-answer.
Now clam it, nosy-rosy!
My My Bonster; A little touchy aren't we. What's with dropping the F Bomb. Maybe Brain needs to put you in time out too.
Since I am sooooo stupid and can't seem to put 2 + 2 together, can you please help me????????? :-\
I feel a need to understand this very germane issue.
Allen,
I never mentioned the DCOB. But now that YOU mention it, thanks for the info.
My My Allen, speaking of touchy, you're the one who's been attacking me from the beginning! Something about me touched a nerve w/you.
You are quite the needy one, aren't you?
BTW-
Nothing wrong with saying fuck on BTF. Won't get booted for that! :)
(not that I would expect someone on your level to understand TOS)
The only one even close to being booted at this time is ... you.
Bonster: You certainly are sensitive. ;D especially for someone who is being hunted.
Silk: The DCob has been mentioned throughout this thread.
Yes, I am a sensitive kind of guy. Do you like that Allen? ;) :-*
Sensitive (not that there's anything wrong with that) If that's the kind of guy you are; so be it.
Me, I certainly have never had anyone refer to me in those terms.
Here is the answer everyone has been waiting for:
The person who told me not to bother calling Mark Ryan is:
You are not going to believe it: ;D
It was Colonial Mustard in the Den with a candlestick :D :D :D
He swore me to secrecy and I have to carry a cyanide capsule. He has Secret Service Agents following me everywhere.
Oh sorry, I have to sign off. Another family in Berwyn is calling me to find out about adopting a Pit Bull named Bruno. I'm trying to talk them out of changing his name to Bonster. It seems they have their hearts set on that name. ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
By the way, thanks for all the good laughs on this thread today.
I
Quote from: Allen on March 01, 2008, 07:55:44 PM
Bonster:
I don't see the need to stop. Maybe you need to stop and explain yourself.
Why do you need to know? It is one very simple question.
You know, I really don't care about the why's and wherefore's of this issue, but the more vehemently the gang of four goes into denial and dances around answering the question, the more I ask myself why? Methinks thou dost protest too loudly.
It's very simple Crunchie.
Let the topic end already. Why is everyone beating on a dead horse. If the horse is dead, Get Off!!!
Why is it so important? Why doesn't anyone answer that question?
Come back soon now Cathy. Don't be a stranger. And bring some more of your friends along as well.
It's apparently important because the gang of noobs have gone into paranoia overload to avoid answering a simple, reasonable, logical, supposedly innocuous question. So it has assumed importance out of proportion to what it would otherwise deserve if it had been handled in the normal manner.
Bad behavior in children brings out bad behavior in other children. Sure seems that way on this board. I have yet to hear to many of you saying what Good there is in Berwyn.
I being new to the area, just a year, find alot of good things in Berwyn. A lot of positive reasons to live here.
Why don't you all grow up and talk about that. We have a bunch of children here with you said he said going on. Poor Allen is new and everyone jumps on him. I was new and everyone jumped on me.
By the way I do live in Berwyn. And I do own a couple of so call Pits, they are really Staffordshire bull terriers. But I know you will all call them Pit Bulls.
Who's jumping on whom?
Truth be told, Koss...I was mum on the issue till You and Allen continued harping on me today.
You'd be well served to heed Cathy's advice above.
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Hey someone said this along time ago. Did it first register with you now?
Last night, when I finished speaking my piece. Apparently it still hasn't registered with you.
Thanks for the invitation, Silk, but I have to politely turn you down. So Sorry!!!!!
Crunchie, you're totally correct. The gang (not necessarily noobs as you so nicely put it) have gone into total paranoia overload. If no one can tell me why it is so important to know who told me not to call Mark Ryan, than I don't see any reason to tell anyone on this board. All you people will do is spend a few days cutting that person down and rapping on them. So why should I tell you. Look at how my agency was attacked, even though Mr. Ryan will not admit to it and that's fine too. All of this childish behavior because I put Midwest Rescue on my website. Absolutely, totally childish.
I think Allen and Koss came back on this thread because Bonster had his wonderful sig. this morning.
So I hope everyone is done now. Thank you and good evening!!!
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on March 01, 2008, 09:39:20 PM
If no one can tell me why it is so important to know who told me not to call Mark Ryan, than I don't see any reason to tell anyone on this board.
I certainly cannot, as I haven't been asking. I asked once yesterday, got your answer.
I was referencing something completely different to Allen. Check u'r PM's.
With regards to my sig file, are you saying that's reason enough for Allen and Koss to continue their childish behaviour?
So much for the horse being dead, if so!
Simply put Ms Bedard, because it bears on the veracity of your assertions.
This has really turned hateful and plain mean.
Tell your peeps to quit posting then. ;)
You folks can post all the eloquent disertations you want. I'd rather err on the side of caution. I want stricter laws, and stronger enfrocement of existing laws. There's a big difference between a dog bite, and a dog attack. The people here, who are against any breed discrimination, are probably responsible owners. Unfortunately ( my opinion ) most people who own the "Pitts" in our area, are not responsible owners. Our problems are many.
Quote from: buzz on March 01, 2008, 10:43:58 PM
You folks can post all the eloquent disertations you want. I'd rather err on the side of caution. I want stricter laws, and stronger enfrocement of existing laws. There's a big difference between a dog bite, and a dog attack. The people here, who are against any breed discrimination, are probably responsible owners. Unfortunately ( my opinion ) most people who own the "Pitts" in our area, are not responsible owners. Our problems are many.
This echoes my sentiments exactly...I am not partial to one particular breed of dog, cat, rodent or what have you. If the animal is trained properly and the owner is responsible, the outcome can be great. When a dog is running the streets (of Berwyn or anywhere else) without it's owner, it can become aggressive, scared or just act wack for no apparent reason. This can happen when a child, adult or fellow canine is present and the end result is not always so pretty. I feel that
EVERYONE whose animal gets out of their yard, should be ticketed and fined for their animal running at large. This, one would think, would make dog owners a little more diligent when letting Fido out in the yard: check that the gates are locked and only let him out for minimal amts of time at a stretch. Believe it or not, most people who are ticketed/fined for said violation, are repeat offenders. These peeps must have tons o' bux cuz I know this: one time for me and I'd do what it takes to keep Fido contained to the yard.
Anyway, I'm sorry to have begun such a controversial thread. I simply was trying to get a nice owner for a poor, neglected dog, no matter the breed. Everyday I encounter loose dogs, running our fair streets, most of whom are rather friendly, though one just never knows for sure, if you do not know
THAT particular dog. I even think my little dog might act in a different manner, were he running loose, cornered or feeling threatened, though he just licked the shit outta me when I found him after having nearly been hit by a car.
The problem goes back to your Politic and Police Departments, Along with everyone turning and not seeing what they should report. People need to be educated on what to look for and to be free to report all the activities of the gangs without being afraid. I know Cicero has put in a Hot Line where you call in and they don't know who you are, no ID on the phone and you don't have say who you are. (Friend that lives in Cicero), I do call in when I see something suspicious. I am not alone, others are doing so also, but they are labeled as trouble makes by some of the Police Officers. (NOT ALL), they label them as crazy old men and women. Some of these Officers don't want to do the paperwork.
I don't have the answers on how to fix it. Drugs and money have a big part in the dog fighting and the crimes in the Neighborhoods. Still waiting for one of the candidates to say how they are going to stop the import of them, along with the local growers. Have not heard it yet.
All the Candidates I have heard say nothing of this problem. Because of the problem we are losing whole generations of children to this "they make me feel good" faze. "The gang is my family, they care about me". To me this indicates there isn't enough parental supervision or love in their home. How do you fix this? The School should not be responsible. The Teachers need to be good teachers and role models for these kids but they can't do it all. The Parents need to be held accountable for their children's actions.
We need strong leaders, people who really care. Not in it just for the money and status it gives them.
You start making people responsible for their children are doing and it will change a little, slowly. Right now you have uneducated people, (children) having babies, and these babies grow up with what they learn on the street.
Laws that should be put in Place are: No backyard dogs left unattended, No dogs chained in the back yards. No kennels in the yard where the dogs are kept 24/7. No cages in the basement where these dogs are also kept 24/7. No dogs kept in garages.
No Animal should be outside without its owner. It doesn't matter if it is fenced or not. This is for all dogs.
The Vicious dog ordnance along with the above can help. But, they have to be enforced. This is just my opinion now, I have see this work in several towns in the south.
Quote from: buzz on March 01, 2008, 10:43:58 PM
You folks can post all the eloquent disertations you want. I'd rather err on the side of caution. I want stricter laws, and stronger enfrocement of existing laws. There's a big difference between a dog bite, and a dog attack. The people here, who are against any breed discrimination, are probably responsible owners. Unfortunately ( my opinion ) most people who own the "Pitts" in our area, are not responsible owners. Our problems are many.
I agree with Buzz. Berwyn would never have a law that would allow people to own lions or tigers because of the threat to public safety. Even if an owner of one particular lion or tiger could prove that their particular lion or tiger was "nice" doesn't mean there should not be a law banning lions or tigers.
Same reasoning can be applied to pit bulls.
I posted two incidents of bad behaviour by pit bulls and their owners; buzz has posted other incidents on this board. Yet, the pit bull owners blythely ignore and pass over those posts as if those incidents did not happen.
One more thing. We are talking about animals here. I am continually amazed at how many people try to pretend that their pit bulls are like children and treat them as if they are human.
They are not human, They are animals - big, dumb, mean, vicious animals.
I think most Berwynites, if they had their druthers, would prefer to round up all the pit bulls in Berwyn and put them to sleep.
Ted
Citizens are encouraged to report activity to the BPD by calling 911 or sending an e-mail to www.DrugEnforcementInfo@berwyn-il.gov.
They can request to remain annonymous, I have done this on numerous occassions and am completely confident my name wasn't used. Both means are listed in the monthly Neighborhood Watch newsletter and on the City website.
In October, 2007 the City updated the Dog Ordinance which is aggressively enforced.
http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4417.0
Thanks Terri for the reminder on that one. I am glad to hear that ordinance is being enforced.
Quote from: SILK on March 01, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
... Sounds like you're pushing a political agenda in the last few sentences there.
You may be on to something there, Silk. I am beginning to wonder the same thing myself.
Something that makes you go .... hmmmm.....
It definitely looks like the "Attack Bonster" machine is out in full force, that's for sure.
Ted
Quote from: Kpope on March 02, 2008, 01:28:34 AM
The problem goes back to your Politic and Police Departments
Oooh...don't talk bad about the Police or Koss will be all over your ass...
Quote from: Ted on March 02, 2008, 08:17:30 AM
Quote from: SILK on March 01, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
... Sounds like you're pushing a political agenda in the last few sentences there.
You may be on to something there, Silk. I am beginning to wonder the same thing myself.
Something that makes you go .... hmmmm.....
It definitely looks like the "Attack Bonster" machine is out in full force, that's for sure.
Ted
Curious those same people stated they were new to Berwyn, wanted to know what was good about our City then attacked Bonster.
Ted,
It was so obvious it wasn't even funny. They couldn't even hide their agenda for more than a few hours. They al came on at the same time, all with the same story, all taking a shot at Bonster, all big fans of Larry Dominick and atendees at the Berwyn Lovefest, andnot one willing to front the name of the mystery person who "advised" on Bonster.
Reminds me of some of the guys I grew up with. you know the type-raise a clenched fist to their ear with their pinky and thumb extended and say "all I gotta do is make a phone call".
Horse doo doo.
This is serious stuff. Pit Bulls are DANGEROUS animals. Even DEADLY. Most people want no part of that. end of story.
Quote from: Terri on March 02, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
Curious that those people stated they were new to Berwyn, wanted to know what was good about our City then attacked Bonster.
Yeah, all of them are new to Berwyn yet all 3 of them found their way to a political fundraiser and 2 of them also claim to be politically neutral??
Why would someone who is politically neutral attend a political fund raiser?
Anyone want to buy some swamp land in Arizona?? :D ;D :D
Can anyone say dumb and dumber?
These people ar tripping all over themselves.
Great points, guys. Apatriot made an astute observation, that which I've been saying for months...
Quote from: apatriot on March 01, 2008, 02:12:50 PM
If at that same political event, the candidate would have had an outline and a pledge as to what he is going to do about the problem, then I would say, OK, at least the party is taking some kind of stand and will put forth a plan for the future to ensure the safety of people and pets in Berwyn and to rid Berwyn of backyard breedings, and address ownership by gangs and the irresponsible. A pledge to push State government to remedy the problem wouldn't hurt either. My guess is that not one word by the candidate was heard with regard to that subject. Votes, sir. Votes.
The DCoB does't care so much about M.O.M. It was a photo op. Make friends and gather
votes.
The DCoB were embarrassed by the association with LARRY DOMINICK and Pit Bull adoption/legislation. If they weren't, shame on them. They didn't even know until I put it in my signature!
Speaks volumes of the DCoB not doing their research.
It's neither here nor there as they say, but holy cow, your all sounding a little
paranoid!
It may not be there, but it surely is HERE.
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 09:02:14 AM
It's neither here nor there as they say, but holy cow, your all sounding a little paranoid!
Not paranoid, Pat... just finding some things curiouser and curiouser...
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 09:02:14 AM
It's neither here nor there as they say, but holy cow, your all sounding a little
paranoid!
No, just telling the truth about your party!
They saw this as an easy way to suck up some votes from the clueless - pose for pics (kinda like the Firefighters Symposium?), act like they care, and get you to spead the word. And what looks better than supporting an organization like MOM. Well...they hadn't a clue that the front page had pictures of LARRY DOMINICK plastered all over it (NOT someone you want to be affiliated with)!
Unfortunately this is typical for a party which has no platform.
Make friends, and get people to trust you blindly.
If you ever quizzed these folks as to a path forward in any regard to the future of this city you'd find they have none.
No platform? No plan?
NO PROBLEM?
I had geat success in college when my plan was to have no plan at all. Of course I wound up with the 10 year plan, but I digress-at least it was great fun.
Anything to move Berwyn forward.
The DCOB also raffled off a motorcycle to turn around and donate the proceeds of $5,000.00 each
to school districts 98 and 100. Photos were taken then also.
Isn't this what organizations and politicians do for recognition ?
Should the DCOB, have not supported this group MOM, just because they are involved in a rescue mission,
among many other missions?
I am not a fan of Pit Bulls either, and still stand by my thinking of a State wide ban, but my heart goes out
to the mothers and families of disabled children more so. This whole subject has become so distorted it almost does
not make sense.
It became distorted a LONG time ago when some people tried to tie in disabled children, pit bulls,a nd politics.
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
The DCOB also raffled off a motorcycle to turn around and donate the proceeds of $5,000.00 each
to school districts 98 and 100. Photos were taken then also.
Isn't this what organizations and politicians do for recognition ?
Should the DCOB, have not supported this group MOM, just because they are involved in a rescue mission,
among many other missions?
I am not a fan of Pit Bulls either, and still stand by my thinking of a State wide ban, but my heart goes out
to the mothers and families of disabled children more so. This whole subject has become so distorted it almost does
not make sense.
Yes BP, and anyone who tells you differently is FOS! Everyone takes advantage of a photo-op when it suits them and they have a particular agenda to push...politicians and LAWYERS alike
So what agenda do the people involved have to push? How do you make the connection between disabled children and pit bulls? And why the "mystery" phone calls?
Quote from: SILK on March 02, 2008, 10:14:48 AM
So what agenda do the people involved have to push? How do you make the connection between disabled children and pit bulls? And why the "mystery" phone calls?
You talkin' to me? Huh, you talkin' to me?
To anyone who can answer.
A few of the folks here are really paranoid.. All you folks want to do is rip someone up if they don't agree with your thinking. How narrow minded. Don't know about the other two new members. I don't know them. Just like what they say. I see we have another new member Bozzo.
Quote from: Kpope on March 02, 2008, 10:36:08 AM
A few of the folks here are really paranoid.. All you folks want to do is rip someone up if they don't agree with your thinking. How narrow minded. Don't know about the other two new members. I don't know them. Just like what they say. I see we have another new member Bozzo.
Kettle
Pot
-Rob
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 02, 2008, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
Photos were taken then also.
Isn't this what organizations and politicians do for recognition ?
Yes BP, and anyone who tells you differently is FOS! Everyone takes advantage of a photo-op when it suits them and they have a particular agenda to push...politicians and LAWYERS alike
Big difference here, 'Rita (and BP), is they HAVE NO AGENDA TO PUSH. To them, a photo op means "give me your vote as I have nothing to offer."
They want you to elect them with a pat on the back and a wink, yet have nothing to offer for the future of this city but cutdowns of everyone in power now. Absolutely nothing. (Lots BRDO support, blind followers, and disloyal hypocrites though!)
That's fine that they take their photo op, just realize what they stand for (nothing), and that they do not back up what their rag ("The Voice") states ("New," and "change").
Quote from: Bonster on March 02, 2008, 11:28:05 AM
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 02, 2008, 10:06:12 AM
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 09:57:44 AM
Photos were taken then also.
Isn't this what organizations and politicians do for recognition ?
Yes BP, and anyone who tells you differently is FOS! Everyone takes advantage of a photo-op when it suits them and they have a particular agenda to push...politicians and LAWYERS alike
Big difference here, 'Rita (and BP), is they HAVE NO AGENDA TO PUSH. To them, a photo op means "give me your vote as I have nothing to offer."
They want you to elect them with a pat on the back and a wink, yet have nothing to offer for the future of this city but cutdowns of everyone in power now. Absolutely nothing. (Lots BRDO support, blind followers, and disloyal hypocrites though!)
That's fine that they take their photo op, just realize what they stand for (nothing), and that they do not back up what their rag ("The Voice") states ("New," and "change").
According to this quote, the fundraiser was mostly for the political party. Promoting it as a raffle to raise funds for the school sold the tickets, though. http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=2186.msg31309#msg31309
I do remember somebody saying that they barely broke even, though. Maybe they didn't sell all of the tickets? Anyway, here comes the plug. If you want to donate DIRECTLY to a Berwyn classroom go to: http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/viewChallenge.html?id=17655 New projects are being added every week!
The big push for votes for the next Mayor have really not even started yet. So even if
your opinion is they 'HAVE NO AGENDA TO PUSH" at this particular moment, what makes you think there will never
be an agenda, whether it be O'Connors or Lovero's?
I think everyone needs to sit back a little, give some more time, watch what happens and then form your own
opinion. It may be to soon for some of you, right now.
I did hear Bobby Lovero say (at the I Love Berwyn Party) something like, and I can't quote him, but he would be
looking forward to the beginning of a new economic growth for Berwyn in the future. Might be a start of a plan, even
if it's only one mentioned at this time.
Patsy, he told me the same thing about economic development, and it was loaded with hypocrisy (whole 'nother story) and of course, no vision. Yes, he wants to focus on that, but he doesn't know what to do without screwing the citizens (same story).
I don't doubt they'll come up with something, especially since I've exposed them here and in person.
But the fact remains, they are trying to get the clueless to FOLLOW with absolutely nothing.
FORMING A PARTY WITH NO AGENDA means, quite simply, the followers have nothing to go on except friendship and an obstructionist voting record.
STARTING A PARTY WITH NO AGENDA shows they want POWER. Yes, JUST LIKE the power of OC.
NOBODY, not even Bobby can answer specific questions. "well, we'd like to do this, and we'd like to do that...but we have to make up our minds."
Mr. Lovero has to wait till everyone on his slate opines? (his words) ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
That is no leader.
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 02, 2008, 11:59:57 AM
I did hear Bobby Lovero say (at the I Love Berwyn Party) something like,
Is that a typo? Or did you mean "I Love Berwyn Patsy"?
LOL! Everybody loves Raymond! ;D ;) (not being mean there, Patsy!)
But hey, that works for the party, too.
The "I Love Myself" party!
...we love ourselves, and all of our followers. Let's smoke some pot and make peace signs in the snow.
Hey Pav, got any shrooms?
Bons, are you saying the DCOB has no plan, or that their plans are no good?
Hey, ny NO PLAN plan worked wonders in college.
I decided that this will be my last post, because I have grown quite tired of the crap and paranoia on this thread. I can also see that people are attempting "still" to make something of nothing. Many of you are just wanting to tear someone down for making a simple phone call. How absolutely ridiculous and transparent.
It is also obvious that many did not bother to read my first post where I quite honestly attempted to explain what happened. Here is my first post again for those of you that did not bother:
I'm not going to try to go over everything that was said. I'm sure most people can see that Mothers on a Mission, the DCOB and Larry Dominick etc. had many comments made about them, and most intelligent adults will know what is the truth and what isn't. It really doesn't matter anyway, people come to their own conclusions about these things.
However there are a few things I would like to comment on. I remember the first time I came on as a guest and I saw Bonster, Mark Ryan, use Mothers on a Mission, Inc. in his sig. I did not call Robert or Tony. I did call another friend about this because I was concerned about how the DCOB would be perceived since I do have Midwest Rescue on my Web Site. I was later informed that it was Mark Ryan and no one was really worried about it. I thought about calling him personally and then was informed that it would have been a waste of time. Lord knows that there just doesn't seem to be enough time in the day as it is, why waste it.
Yes Mark, I did remove the word "Pit Bull" from page one of my web site. (thank you for visiting) Why? Because if anyone took the time to look at Midwestrescueabull.org you would see that they do not only adopt out pit bulls, they adopt out many mixed breeds. (it had nothing to do with the DCOB) They specialize in rescuing pit bulls, but they don't turn away too many other dogs either. However, right now they are at their capacity of dogs. Why do I put Midwest Rescue on the web site. I don't think this is anyone's business, but since it is on everyones mind. I adopted "Indy" from them. My "Indy" was thrown out of a car in Indiana at a Truck Stop. He was rescued and brought to Midwest Rescue. My daughter, Alexandra, who has Autism, met Indy at PetCo in Riverside. The two of them fell in love with each other. After fostering Indy for two weeks we decided to adopt him. He has been an absolute joy in our home. He is a Pit/Dane mix and is a wonderful service dog. Yes, service/therapy dogs have to go through training etc. Another reason they are on my web site. I put a great deal of resource information on page 5. Page 5 is loaded with a lot of information that families can choose to use or discard.
Also, Mark, I see that you enjoy a game of semantics. Have you ever looked up the word "peddle" in the dictionary. It does mean sell. When you state "but you peddle them on your web page" that is not true. I have never sold a pit bull or any dog for that matter. Proliferation, have you looked that up? It means reproduce or produce new growth. I don't have backyard breeders at my office. Never have, never will! The best one is " including organizations which give pit bulls away in Berwyn"
That was is quite a laugh. And you even add the word- Truth! I had a good laugh at this one. I wonder who your source is. They also need to check their facts.
I have never given away a dog of any kind!!!!
Another funny one is "sucking up to Larry D." I found this one to be hilarious!!! You are quite funny! No one has to "suck up to Larry or his wife". I have never had to suck up to anyone. Maybe that's how you get by in life, but I certainly have never had to do that. You apparently don't know him or his wife or you wouldn't have posted this one.
LOL.
Now Mark will have his fun talking about things like: Wow, Cathy has a dictionary and show me where I attacked your org. etc. etc. We can all see that Mark has fun "back peddling" and trying to save face. Yeah, we all know he is going to say "show me where I'm back peddling" It is so obvious, it's funny. Have a good time!
Hi Silk:
Good Question: Larry Dominick and Elizabeth are very supportive of families raising a child with a disability. The two of them have made huge changes in Cicero to include these families. When I met him he was very interested in MOM, Inc. and offered to help in anyway.
When Robert Lovero came to my bowling banquet I was amazed at the questions and interest in the organization and the families from Berwyn that were in attendance.
Anyone who is interested in helping families that are raising children with disabilities and their families, and making change in the community has my admiration.
Another good question Silk. As I stated earlier, I received many phone calls about this topic today. I thought it would be nice to come on and clear up some misunderstandings.
Now to answer the newest paranoid statements: Some new Berwnites found themselves at a political fundraiser. Hmmmm why would that happen?
Something happens in a family when a child with a disability is born or newly diagnosed. A family immediately finds out who there true friends and family members are.
The isolation is overwhelming. We are not only grieving the loss of our dreams, but the loss of support from friends and family. So what happens? We find each other. We support each other. So yes, some new families from not only Berwyn but the surrounding areas went to the event to support MOM. See, no conspiracy there.
Do any of you realize that MOM, Inc. provides support to families, not only in Berwyn, but all over Cook and Eastern Dupage. I have worked with the Special Ed. Directors in many counties. In Berwyn alone there are approximately 1,000 children with disabilities. This does not include Morton or Adults. This number does include speech and language disorders, but still that number is enourmous. Now, stop and think about Autism. 1 in 150 children are diagnosed everyday. That means that every 20 minutes a child is diagnosed Autistic. These families are desperate. They are looking for support. So yes, I will work with any politician who will listen to the issue.
Think about that fact that all these children will grow up to become adults. How is Illinois going to support them. Your tax dollars will support these people. Do their parents want them in institutions. NO they don't. We dream that our children will grow up to become contributing members to society. Not a burden. So once again, Yes, I will talk to anyone cnn help. Think about this for just one second. We have had a horrid winter, haven't we? Think about someone with a physical disability or in a wheelchair. How do they get out of their homes? There should be an ordinance in Berwyn and all surrounding counties, that all snow should be removed within 24 hours so everyone can get around. Seniors and the disabled. Yes, I talked to Larry Dominick. Why? Because here is a man that stepped up and made sure that everyone is taken care of in Cicero. As I stated before, making sure that playgrounds, stores, libraries his entire community is accessible. He has brought the Special Olympics back to Cicero.
Another little topic, paranoid conspiracy, brought up here. No one knew about MOM's affiliation with Larry Dominick until Mark had it in his sig. Again, no one read my first post. Did anyone see that Mr. Lovero and Tony were at the Bowling Banquet? Did anyone see the picture on my web page? Larry received an award, from the children, for his "support of children with disabilities". Everyone put politics aside to help the children. Gee what a conspiracy. Help people with disabilities. How horrid of everyone!!!!!! YIKES, they are sooooooo evil.
What the hell kind of agenda are you people looking for? Your looking for monsters under every rock? If that is what your looking for, please continue.
I know your going to look for more conspiracy within this post. Please go right ahead. I can tell that many of you will tear it apart and continue with your parnoid illusions.
I have no agenda, other than working within the disability community.
I want to again thank many of you for your pm's filled with support. I completely understand why many of you will not bother to post on this forum.
Did anyone see that Mr. Lovero and Tony were at the Bowling Banquet?
Yes, that was observed and talked about outside the boards!
There is no paranoid conspiracy here, but you wouldn't know that because you haven't been around.
No one is disparaging what you do for kids,
Only that your website promotes Pit Bull Adoptions in Berwyn.
I did not ATTACK your organization. Yes, I was wrong to say that you sell them, but not that you advertise them.
I'm sorry, but I see no connection between your mission and your pushing Pit Bull adoptions in Berwyn.
Keep up the (otherwise) good work.
ps. The only ones making ANYTHING out of ANYTHING are your Pit Bull loving friends. The rest is politics as usual.
Quote from: Crunchie on March 02, 2008, 01:12:51 PM
Bons, are you saying the DCOB has no plan, or that their plans are no good?
The first one. ;)
Has it ever occurred to you that having no plan at all may in fact be the plan?
Quote from: SILK on March 02, 2008, 02:51:17 PM
Has it ever occurred to you that having no plan at all may in fact be the plan?
Actually it has, SILK. They are so confident that by getting all close pals elected (and appointed, like OC!), they'll all follow the leader on anything he comes up with, like the mummies Ted referred to in the BRDO.
Status Quo will rule Berwyn once again!
so if there's no plan, what are people following/supporting?
Bonster:
The last post was supposed to be my last, but since you responded so quickly, here goes: Thank you for saying you were wrong to say I was selling pit bulls. I appreciate that. But, once again, I am not pushing pit bull adoption in Berwyn. That is so wrong!!! All of you make it sound like, because of this teeny, tiny agency listing a rescue on their website "Berwyn" will become overun by pit bulls. How , horribly naive of everyone.
I am not going to take Midwest Rescue down off of my web site, simply becasue they are good people and I stand by their organization. Again, they are experts in pit bulls, but I also know that they will not turn away any dog. They do not cage their animals, they are all in foster homes. I admire their work. As I also said before, I came to know them through my daughter's love of her dog "Indy". Yes, you can make fun of the warm fuzzy story, but I have seen it time and again what these dogs have done for these children. It makes a world of difference in their life. The isolated world they live in is lifted by the love of their dog, their friend, their companion. Indy has made a difference for my daughter and all the other children he is around. Yes, other breeds do the same thing, and I think it is wonderful.
One more thing, since I am the one who handles the web site and most of the other work at MOM, Inc., it takes a great deal of time to update the web site. I do change, it and add to it whenever I have the time. I will most likely add other dog adoption agencies, some you may not like, so you may. People have free will, they will take whatever information they want, and throw away the rest.
But, again, thank you for saying you were wrong about the word "selling", I do appreciate that. This was a very interesting experience with the BTF forum, but now I have to PM Brian to delete my registration.
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on March 02, 2008, 02:31:48 PM
... I have grown quite tired of the crap and paranoia on this thread.
... How absolutely ridiculous and transparent.
... Now to answer the newest paranoid statements:
... See, no conspiracy there.
... Another little topic, paranoid conspiracy, brought up here.
... Gee what a conspiracy.
... YIKES, they are sooooooo evil.
... What the hell kind of agenda are you people looking for?
... Your looking for monsters under every rock?
... I know your going to look for more conspiracy within this post. Please go right ahead.
... I can tell that many of you will tear it apart and continue with your parnoid illusions.
The reason for the skepticism is simple. Several times in the past few years, anonymous trolls have come onto this board ripping apart anyone who disagrees with the DCOB. Several of these anonymous trolls have turned out to be prominent members of the DCOB.
That pattern has manifested itself in the last few days. For the past few weeks, Bonster has been critical of the DCOB. Then, as has happened in the past, 3 anonymous people come onto the board and they immediately start attacking Bonster.
Those of us who have been on this board a long time immediately saw a pattern of behaviour similar to past behaviour by a certain prominent member of the DCOB.
Thus our skepticism. We've seen this act before and it's growing old. You may call it paranoia; I call it skepticism based on past occurrences on BTF where a member of the DCOB would come onto this board anonymously and start ripping apart anyone who disagreed with the DCOB.
So, pardon our "paranoia", as you put it. You seem to like that word, as do some of the other anonymous newbies.
Take care and good luck,
Ted
Well, at least this explains the "paranoia" on this board.
However, it does not explain why there is constant ripping apart of anyone who does not agree with someone elses stand on many different topics.
So, pardon our "paranoia", as you put it. You seem to like that word, as do some of the other anonymous newbies.
There is one other thing I do feel I need to point out. Cathy was not anonymous. I notice that the majority on this board are.
Silk - lol "Has it ever occurred to you that having no plan at all may in fact be the plan?"
that was a good one. Reminded me of the Honeymooners episode where Ralph's birthday is coming up. Alice is acting peculiar and he's convinced she is going to throw him a "surprise party". Days pass and it's getting closer and closer to his birthday, yet he cannot come up with ONE clue that Alice is throwing him a party.
He tells all that to Norton, and Norton says .... well maybe that's the surprise - there ain't gonna be no party !!!!
forget my version - here it is - comes in around 3:30
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P2ToLjnu4dw&feature=related
What makies you so sure that these pit bulls are all coming to Berwyn. I talked with Midwest and the few application that they have gotten from Berwyn have not passed the adoption criteria. The only dogs that are going to be coming to Berwyn from Midwest will have to pass their criteria. Otherwise, Berwyn isn't the only town in this big wide World or State.
So, men don't get all your panties in a bunch.
Quote from: Kpope on March 02, 2008, 08:49:12 PM
What makies you so sure that these pit bulls are all coming to Berwyn. So, men don't get all your panties in a bunch.
Hello KPope,
Welcome back. Don't worry about me. My panties ain't in a bunch.
I was wondering if you would kindly answer the following questions, which I have asked twice now (in another post) in regards to breed specific legislation:
1. Should wolves be banned as pets?
2. Should lions and tigers be banned as pets?
Again, I kindly ask that you answer my questions.
Thank you
Ted
on and on and on it goes...........those of you out there who don't get the appeal of our beloved pittie and pittie mixes will NEVER get it!!!!!!! after reading some of the posts, all I can say is thank the good lord you people are not in positions of power and would ban certain breeds in towns and states across the country.....just STOP the madness.......the dogs are here to stay and we who work with rescues will continue to help these dogs and TRY to educate the public about their MANY qualities.
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 03, 2008, 07:42:08 AM
on and on and on it goes...........those of you out there who don't get the appeal of our beloved pittie and pittie mixes will NEVER get it!!!!!!! after reading some of the posts, all I can say is thank the good lord you people are not in positions of power and would ban certain breeds in towns and states across the country.....just STOP the madness.......the dogs are here to stay and we who work with rescues will continue to help these dogs and TRY to educate the public about their MANY qualities.
So, why don't you answer the question instead of ranting and raving.
1. Should wolves be banned as pets?
2. Should lions and tigers be banned as pets?
You have presented no logical, rational argument on the idea that breed specific legislation is wrong or unconstitutional.
Why not debate the point rationally with people? Why not address the other side of the issue that myself, Buzz, Apatriot and others have brought up?
How does your post lead to a rational discussion of the issue?
Regards
Ted
my dear Ted.....address what issue? keeping wolves as pets or lions and tigers and bears, oh my! like I stated, ya just don't get it....I'm sure you are all lovely people sincerely concerned.....but can we at least agree that with responsible owners, the pitties can be lovely additions to a family? once you start banning breeds (and keep in mind "pit bull" is a generic term) where would you like to stop???? "gang bangers" and others of that ilk will always find a breed to abuse and fight....be it rottweilers, dobermans, german shepherds......
"He be gone!"
In Denver "people like me are in power". That city has a successful ban on "Pitt Bulls" and people of "your ilk" are of course enraged. The only objection I have to the Denver law is that it did not allow for people who already owned a dog. They should have been allowed to keep their pets. When will you get it Pittiemom?
Bear's back! That reminds me of a dream I had last night...was driving down a Berwyn street, trying to get around a double-parked vehicle when along came a large bear just walking down the street! It was very strange, and to make things even weirder, it was a bright red bear. I think all the fighting on this thread is giving me nightmares
The difference, pittiemon, is that pit bulls (like wolves and lions) and geneteically predisposed to violence and aggressive behavior.
When will YOU get it?
when will I get what, exactly????? that the "pitties" are abused and in desperate need of help....that once you start banning specific breeds of dogs, where do you stop......that some people will NEVER get it.......we LOVE them.....you don't......
come to the pet expo in Arlingtion Hts. the weekend of the 15th this monthe and stop at our booth, or any of the other rescues that will be there and we will answer any and all questions IN PERSON as opposed to continually posting .....
aargh.....they are NOT genetically predisposed to violent behavior......they were used and bred for "pit" fighting...hence the term....again, I offer my invitation to visit the pet expo to meet some of our great dogs and meet the volunteers who work tirelessly to save and rehab the abused dogs...........
When will you get the fact that pit BULLS, as opposed to other breeds, are genetically predisposed to violence and aggression (same can't be said about most other breeds), something many of your cohorts have already conceded.
You can love them all u want. Heck, you can love your pet cobra and boa constrictor also. Fact is, the greater good of the community dictates they be banned, like in Denver.
Should Akitas be banned? They are known to be the #1 biters, though they are not "hot' among gangbangers
thank you Rita.....and boas and cobras aren't warm and kissable......
...whose booth at Pet Expo in Arlington? (who sez boas and cobras aren't warm and kissable?)
chicagoland bully breed rescue.......
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 03, 2008, 08:45:59 AM
Should Akitas be banned? They are known to be the #1 biters, though they are not "hot' among gangbangers
I saw Stan Makita bite some Detroit player at a hockey game. Is that why he has false teeth now?
Any animal that's genetically predisposed to that type of behavior. akitas are not. I had one next door to me.
My pet lion is cute and cuddly too. how about if I move in next door to you and let him out for a stroll?
The "dogs" which need to be banned, here in Berwyn, are the gangbangers -
again.....thank you Rita...
Rita,
And how exactly will you go about banning gangbangers?
Quote from: SILK on March 03, 2008, 09:11:20 AM
Rita,
And how exactly will you go about banning gangbangers?
She'll quit gangbanging them. ;)
Ah SILK, SILK, SILK,
"Reading is a skill"...Where did I say that I would perform that task, or even that it COULD indeed be carried out?
Rita,
And how exactly will you go about banning gangbangers? (< err...wtf? how did that get in there)
Don't give me that answer. I think you could and should. You may be our only hope.
And Crunchie,
You are a disgusting piece of feces
Very simple scenario.
PITBULLS + GANGBANGERS-PROBLEM.
In order to eliminate the problem, you need to eliminate one of the two, no?
So tell me which one you would eliminate, and how.
Quote from: Bonster on March 03, 2008, 09:16:07 AM
Rita,
And how exactly will you go about banning gangbangers?
Don't give me that answer. I think you could and should. You may be our only hope.
Yeah Bon,
You know how I'd go about it, if it were up to me...line 'em all up and blow 'em away...St Valentine's style
I still like the spray-painting their faces till they pass out idea.
I guess I don't view it as much as Gangbangers PLUS Pitbulls = problem, rather that Pitbulls are an indicator of the gangbangers. Yes, a gross simplification, but you all know what I mean.
I'd require strict licensing for the dogs. With big fines if they are not licensed. And a large fine to get the dog out of the pound if they do not have their medical records (rabies and spay/neutered). Actually, I wouldn't allow the dog out without those two pieces of paper.
Quote from: SILK on March 03, 2008, 09:20:15 AM
Very simple scenario.
PITBULLS + GANGBANGERS-PROBLEM.
In order to eliminate the problem, you need to eliminate one of the two, no?
So tell me which one you would eliminate, and how.
Much better worded SILK...
I would make stricter laws for "dogs running at large" or being walked by owner "w/o its' leash" - Say a $5,000.00 fine and 5 days jail. No ifs ands or buts
I can tell you firsthand, if Berwyn did that, and really stuck to it, the revenue would be unbelievable...we'd be one of the wealthier 'burbs around.
Check this out: http://www.berwynfirst.com/OrdinanceHound.htm
I've read through most of it, and I think Joel is on the right track. I hope council approves it.
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 03, 2008, 09:16:59 AM
And Crunchie,
You are a disgusting piece of feces
Having a bad hair day? Guess you missed the smiley, though it was hardly necessary.
Quote from: Crunchie on March 03, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 03, 2008, 09:16:59 AM
And Crunchie,
You are a disgusting piece of feces
Having a bad hair day? Guess you missed the smiley, though it was hardly necessary.
What'd I leave my web cam on? Actually I am indeed having a
HORRIBLE hair day...sorry, missed your smiley, you're forgiven
Two problems Rita.
What good does your "law" do if a pit bull mauls a kid to death? Do you think 5K and 5 days in jail is sufficient punishment?
Berwyn can only enact ordnances. They can't enact a law which calls for jail time.
Quote from: SILK on March 03, 2008, 09:58:07 AM
Two problems Rita.
What good does your "law" do if a pit bull mauls a kid to death? Do you think 5K and 5 days in jail is sufficient punishment?
Berwyn can only enact ordnances. They can't enact a law which calls for jail time.
This is true...though I think there may be other ways to deal with dangerous dogs -
l.Reckless Endangerment
The Berwyn City Prosecuting Attorney shall recommend to
the State's Attorney's office that an animal owner be charged
with reckless endangerment if the owner's animal injures a
person, or causes an accident while at large, off the ownerspremises, and/or out of the immediate control of the owner
or the animal owner allows his animal to be in the charge of
an individual incapable of handling the animal. The animal
shall be removed from the owners custody, and shall be
evaluated for temperament by the Berwyn Animal Board and
either be placed in a responsible home or humanely
euthanized.
m. Aggravated Nuisance
The Berwyn City Prosecuting Attorney shall recommend to
the State's Attorney's office that an animal owner be charged
with aggravated nuisance or other appropriate charge or
charges should the animal menace a person when at large.
The animal shall be evaluated for temperament by the
Berwyn Animal Board and either be placed in a responsible
home or humanely euthanized.
n. Trespassing
1. Animal Owner Liability
An animal owner shall pay remuneration and fines if
found guilty of ordinance violations when the his
animal, while running at large and out of the owner's
control, trespasses upon another person's property
and injures or kills an animal or animals belonging to
that persons whose animals were contained to their
property.
2. Animal Owner Probation
The animal owner shall be placed on strict probation
for the period of one year, during which time should
any further violations occur, the animal shall be
removed from the custody of the owner. The animal
shall be evaluated by the Berwyn Animal Board and
either placed into a responsible home or humanely
euthanized. Any animal owner, by whose violations
has caused his/her animal to be removed from his/her
custody, shall not be allowed by the Court to own
another animal for a period of ten 10 years.
There...do you agree w/this?
n/m
Very informative Rita. Thank you for that information. I totally agree.
I agree with you too.... Then maybe we would have fewer dogs running loose.
Also need to get information to the Berwyn Public that they should not leave their dog outside unattended. For any length of time. The gangbangers are watching and know your schedule better than you do. They snatch these dogs for bait dog. I don't care what kind of bred or Mix it is. The Little one for bait and the bigger ones to fight. Breed of dog is not important.
They are also grabbing these dogs and cats to take to Medical Center Labs. They are getting paid $50.00 for every dog and $30.00 for every cat.
So, if you are missing any, this is what could have happed to them.. If the cats and dogs are chipped they cannot be used. They should be calling the owner on the chip.
Everyone watching their dogs should cut down on the number of dogs running loose in Berwyn. Don't throw you dog out in the backyard and forget him. Do something in the yard and stay with them.
You must live in a different Berwyn than I do; that wasn't even happening in west Logan Square when I lived there.
-Rob
I wonder how many dogs Berwyn picks up each month? What neighbor do they pick up the most?
That's all breeds of dogs.
Quote from: Koss on March 05, 2008, 12:46:35 AM
I wonder how many dogs Berwyn picks up each month? What neighbor do they pick up the most?
That's all breeds of dogs.
My sources tell me there are an inordinate amount of dogs, running at large, in Berwyn. I'd venture to guess the average amt of loose dogs may be somewhere between 60 (a low guesstimate) and 150 per month...naturally it varies w/time of day/day of the week (more dogs out when owners are off of work). This is not only counting how many loose dogs Berwyn takes to A-American, but also the dogs running at large which are able to be reunited with their owners without being taken to the shelter (this is why dog tags are so important). The problem intensifies as the weather warms up, as dogs are left out in yards for longer periods of time. Many people don't comprehend why they get ticketed for this violation, and why Berwyn can't allow dogs just to roam free.
That's interesting. I've only encountered a loose dog once or twice in the past two years, and I walk my dog every day. If there were a dog around, she'd notice and be sure I noticed too.
-Rob
i've seen a few strays out in my neighborhood over the years, but not many and thankfully not when walking any of my kids.....the 4 legged kind. i know most of the dogs in my neighborhood and neighbors don't leave them out that long unattended. people think dogs like to be out, especially with the weather turning a tad warmer, but most dogs love to be in the company of the family.
last summer at our block party, the mayor spent some time with us and one of the discussions we had was the abysmal animal control in berwyn.....hope we can change that....
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 05, 2008, 10:39:32 AM
i've seen a few strays out in my neighborhood over the years, but not many and thankfully not when walking any of my kids.....the 4 legged kind. i know most of the dogs in my neighborhood and neighbors don't leave them out that long unattended. people think dogs like to be out, especially with the weather turning a tad warmer, but most dogs love to be in the company of the family.
last summer at our block party, the mayor spent some time with us and one of the discussions we had was the abysmal animal control in berwyn.....hope we can change that....
Yeah, that damn animal control, here in Berwyn...last time my dog got out, they gave me a ticket for him running at large, and another for having no tags... Imagine that! All he did was bite a lil old lady - and she didn't even have to go to the hospital...the nerve o' them, issuing a ticket for my precious canine friend
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 05, 2008, 10:39:32 AM
people think dogs like to be out, especially with the weather turning a tad warmer, but most dogs love to be in the company of the family.
Then why are most of them always trying to sneak outside? I'm not saying they don't love being at home, but they sure as hell like getting out when they feel like it too.
Berwyn's Animal Control is not abysmal. It is abysmally underfunded and under-staffed. Try getting a cage from them to trap a critter. Get ready to wait! I bought my own and was then infromed it is illegal for me to trap/transport any animal. I always dropped them off way West of here. And NO I would never separate a mother from her young.
Getting back to dogs; it's never wise to generalize about a dog's behaviour. My last dog loved nothing more than to lay on the deck and guard the castle. Especially in cold weather. Bring her inside, she'd pester the hell out of me to go outside again. I've also known dogs that were paper trained (yuk, not mine) and hated going outside. They do have their own personalities ya' know.
buzz - "Getting back to dogs; it's never wise to generalize about a dog's behaviour."
I agree totally.
Quote from: rbain on March 05, 2008, 09:07:05 AM
That's interesting. I've only encountered a loose dog once or twice in the past two years, and I walk my dog every day. If there were a dog around, she'd notice and be sure I noticed too.
-Rob
I have seen many dogs running loose in the 2 years which I have been here. I think perhaps it is something in the Berwyn air which calls to the dogs to run out of their confines.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 06, 2008, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: rbain on March 05, 2008, 09:07:05 AM
That's interesting. I've only encountered a loose dog once or twice in the past two years, and I walk my dog every day. If there were a dog around, she'd notice and be sure I noticed too.
-Rob
I have seen many dogs running loose in the 2 years which I have been here. I think perhaps it is something in the Berwyn air which calls to the dogs to run out of their confines.
SCat...it's just the negligent dog owners who leave their pooches in the yard 4fknever - w/broken gates/no locks...Fido always wants out when he smells freedom
From an earlier discussion in this thread:
"Something happens in a family when a child with a disability is born or newly diagnosed. A family immediately finds out who there true friends and family members are.
The isolation is overwhelming. We are not only grieving the loss of our dreams, but the loss of support from friends and family. So what happens? We find each other."
An autistic savant...
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=dAfaM_CBvP8
Absolutely amazing and inspiration to many people!
Thank you for such a inspiring post, Bear.
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People with autism are truly amazing individuals. The spectrum is huge. Just as in the typical population, within the autistic population you will find that each and everyone are different.
Dr. Temple Grandin is a Professor at a Colorado University, and is Autisic. She enjoys going out on speaking engagements and sharing with parents. She is truly inspirational and gives parents hope.
Here is one of her quotes:
Becoming More Normal
More knowledge makes me act more normal. Many people have commented to me that I act much less autistic now than I did ten years ago. A person who attended one of my talks in 2005 wrote on my evaluation, "I saw Temple in 1996, it was fun to see the poise and presentation manner she has gained over the years." My mind works Just like an Internet search engine that has been set to access only images. The more pictures I have stored in the Internet inside my brain the more templates I have of how to act in a new situation. More and more information can be placed in more and more categories. The categories can be placed in trees of master categories with many subcategories. For example, there are jokes that make people laugh and jokes that do not work.
There is then a subcategory of jokes that can only be told to close friends. When I was a teenager I was called "tape recorder" because I used scripted lines. As I gained experience, my conversation became less scripted because I could combine new information in new ways. To help understand the autistic brain I recommend that teachers and parents should play with an Internet search engine such as Google for images. It will give people who are more verbal thinkers an understanding into how visual associative thinking works. People with music and math minds have a search engine that finds associations between patterns and numbers.
The Asperger individual who is a verbal logic thinker uses verbal categories. For example, Dr. Minshew had an Asperger patient who had a bad side effect with a medication. Explaining the science of why he should try a different medication was useless. However, he became willing to try a new medication after he was simply told, the pink pills made you sick and I want you to try the blue pills. He agreed to try the blue pills.
The more I learn, the more I realize more and more that how I think and feel is different. My thinking is different from a normal person, but it is also very different from the verbal logic nonvisual person with Asperger's. They create word categories instead of picture categories. The one common denominator of all autistic and Asperger thinking is that details are associated into categories to form a concept. Details are assembled into concepts like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. The picture on the puzzle can be seen when only 20 percent of the puzzle is put together, forming a big picture.
As you can see she explains a bit about how she thinks in pictures. She has an internet inside her brain. This is how this gentleman is able to accomplish his amazing artwork etc. Many with Autism have photgraphic memories.
This is not a joke...I wonder if animals can be autistic. I have heard that animals "think" in images - perhaps that explains why many autistic people relate well w/certain animals -
Thanks for the inspirational video, Bear! Not sure what I'm inspired to do, but thanks!
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 08, 2008, 10:38:15 AM
This is not a joke...I wonder if animals can be autistic. I have heard that animals "think" in images - perhaps that explains why many autistic people relate well w/certain animals -
Who told you that, Moses?
Rita:
Very astute observation! Many people with autism have wonderful careers working with animals. Dr. Temple Grandin invented livestock handling machines which revolutionized the farming industry. There is scientific evidence that shows, people with autism have a special connection with animals. Brookfield Zoo has started a vocational program for highschool students with autism. Many work in Vet. offices, rescues, kennels etc.
This is for Rita.
I believe 'dog has six sense that tell them about the chld. So, they sort of know what the child wants. And needs.
Animal sense that these children are different and they are 'God Children' I have not had one dog not react to these kids, except in a gently loving way to them.
Almost all the animals that I have do therapy work, companion animal that are taken into hospitals, or have even been chosen for Service Animals.
I work with my dogs when ever I get the chance, but I also have handlers and dog walker for them.
I do have foster homes for the animals, but we do get them all to gather to play and have a good time the way dogs should. Believe me we don't have any dog fight when we get 40 to 50 dogs together. In fact folks like to come out and watch us give them their Chance to run and stretch their muscles. They all love playing together
Kpope:
I think you're right. Many animals can tell when they are with a child with a disability. It's always amazing to see how gentle these animals will be with these special children. It's also amazing to see how thrilled the children are. I love to watch dog therapy sessions.
Up date on Mr Wiggles he was out walking the streets of Berwyn today.. It was such a nice day I just had to go for a walk with him. Here are a few pictures of him. He sure looks different now in on 14 days. Vet had him 17 days and he was a mess.
He was sure tired when he got home. Went right to sleep on the big Dog Bed.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa238/mcr_312/Bon%20Bon/wiggles.jpg)
I guess A-American, unlike Midwest Rescue, was hoping they'd just rot off.
ps. my neighbor said the folks across the street inquired at A-American about their dog, Rita. Nothing doing. Maybe they off'd it.
Skrote, the wonder dog!
Why isn't there a mandatory spay/neuter for adopted dogs from A-American? I thought most shelters have that policy.
Quote from: Kpope on March 12, 2008, 02:55:58 AM
Up date on Mr Wiggles he was out walking the streets of Berwyn today.. It was such a nice day I just had to go for a walk with him. Here are a few pictures of him. He sure looks different now in on 14 days. Vet had him 17 days and he was a mess.
He was sure tired when he got home. Went right to sleep on the big Dog Bed.
Wow!!! What a difference - his coat is shiny and healthy-looking...he really looks happy, unlike when he was initially picked up (w/scars abound, mange, hip bones and spine were visible and he was barely able to stand, due to damaged hind legs)...even his nuts look healthier than before
What a beautiful dog!!!! He was left to die??? Well, he looks great now. You're right AAmerican should have a spay/neuter for adopted dogs and cats. I do believe that in the case of Mr. Wiggles, he was just too ill to be neutered. I'm sure that Kpope will have him neutered very soon. Though I certainly wouldn't take him to AAmerican!
As soon as the Vet thinks it is safe. He will be Altered. Your right Bonster he does have nice nuts. Don't you wish you had them.
A-American does not alter them unless you pay for it. They should not be allowed to adopt out until they are. But, with Mr. Wiggles, it would have killed him. So, we are happy they didn't.
Will be happy to pay for it at Oak Park Animal Care League. Unlike A-American they take care of all the strays they get. In fact, maybe someone should talk to them, they may be willing to take Berwyn's loose animals. They have good Doctors working there and they are not that expensive.
Quote from: Kpope on March 12, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
Your right Bonster he does have nice nuts. Don't you wish you had them.
I never said he had nice nuts. You however, just did.
I was commenting on A-American's quality "work" with your dog.
And No, I don't wish I had them; I prefer female dogs.
The Oak Park ACL does a fantastic job with adopting out animals. They will also chip your pet I believe.
I was commenting on A-American's quality "work" with your dog. A-American did not do anything for this dog. He was starved and every bone in his little body was showing. I had to feed him small amounts of food and water the first day. He could not keep anything down. This was for about a 12 hour period. If A-American would have altered him, it would have killed him. Don't think I can have this done for another 3 weeks. Then it will be done.
Bonster if you were not so absorbed with his nuts you would not have cropped the picture the way you did. If you are going to do dumb things, be ready for someone to rip you up on them. Other wise if you act like an adult you will be treated as one. That goes for anyone using inappropriate language also.
OakParkSpartan, Yes, Oak Park ACL does chip, all there Vet Charges are really good. A whole lot less than some of the other ones in the area.
Quote from: Kpope on March 12, 2008, 10:48:12 PM
A-American did not do anything for this dog.
That was my point...apparently you don't read sarcasm.
That or all you did was look at the picture and shoot your mouth off.
Since you don't take the time to read, that was a discussion we had, and your cohorts Bedard and Pittiemom agreed pit bull sterilization should be mandatory; hence my mention of Midwest Rescue (http://www.midwestrescueabull.org/adoption/).
D'oh!
Again Bonster you are throwing names around like you know something. What do Midwest Rescue, Bedard and Pittiemom have to do with this dog? As of right now he belongs to me. What happens to him is up to me. Midwest Rescue, Bedard and Pittiemom have nothing whatsoever to do with him now. In fact I really don't know these folks. If you ask them, they will tell you they don't know me either. Met Mrs. Bedard once when I took the dog from her to take care of.
She seems like a really nice concerned loving person.
So again, what are you trying to say? Or are you just shooting your mouth off. The only reason the pictures were put on this board were for the folks who cared what happened to him. I take it you are not one of them. Or your only concern was for his nuts, that is why you cropped the picture the way you did. You could have just asked if he was altered or was he going to be? Or say he didn't look like he was neutered and ask if he was going to be.
If you have any concern about the animals that are picked up in Berwyn, use you mouth to the Alderman who could do something about A-American and Your money that they are giving them to take care of these animals, if Wiggles is an example of how they take care of the dogs. You are paying too much. I am sure there are other veterinaries or shelters that would take the animals for the same money or less.
Quote from: Kpope on March 13, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
Again Bonster you are throwing names around like you know something. What do Midwest Rescue, Bedard and Pittiemom have to do with this dog? As of right now he belongs to me.
They had something to do with the point about A-American, guy. I cannot help you if you cannot put 2 + 2 together, even after I told you I was referencing a discussion including your fellow pit bull lovers.
Quote from: Kpope on March 13, 2008, 12:32:55 AMIf you have any concern about the animals that are picked up in Berwyn, use you mouth to the Alderman who could do something about A-American
That's a joke, right?
Bonster, I really don't know any of the other pit bull lovers on this board. Bedard and ghost are the only folks on this board that I have met. Bedard put me in touch with ghost to get the dog from him. Ghost is the dude tht got the dog.
I know Midwest Rescue only from their website.
As far as loving Pitties. I love all of God's little critters. Pit Bull type dogs just happen to be the ones that are getting kick around right now and they don't deserve it. The are also the most over bred dog in America right now.
I encourge everyone to have all dogs and cats to be spay/neuter.
A-American doesn't do it because they are not a shelter. They sell the dogs and cats. If you want them spayed or neutered you have to take them back and pay for it.
I just wonder if Berwyn had to pay them board for the 17 days, or did they take the money they got for the dog off of the bill they sent to Berwyn.
No, I don't think it is a joke to talk to the Alderman of Berwyn about the care of the stray animals in Berwyn. If enough people did this, along with Animal Control, who knows they might just listen. Miracles do happen.
Kpope:
Are you saying that this Bedard or Ghost had to go to AAmerican and "pay" for this dog, that was in terrible shape, and they did not offer to neuter the dog when it was well. They had to take the dog back and still have to pay for the neutering????? That is terribe. I wonder how much they had to pay for the dog. Did either of them tell you how much? When I adopted my dog, it was $200.00 and the dog was neutered and completely vetted. The orginization even brought over a crate and food for the dog. That was all included in the $200.00 adoption fee.
Well, at least this Mr. Wiggles is safe and doing well. Sounds like this AAmerican place should be checked out. I'm glad Rita posted about this little guy.
Mr. Wiggles in the horrible shape he was in, just days away from dying they charged Ghost $200.00 dollars. This money should go to Berwyn since it was their dog. It was not A-American's dog to sell. They were getting paid to take care of it, which they didn't. He had a fever, fungus on all 4 paws along with being dehydrated and little if any food. His hair was all falling out along with all the bite marks being infected.
They are charging according 25.00 day for board, they told him he would cost $480.00 but they would let him have him for $200.00. I think if he was in a garage and starving, for 25.00 a day they could have at least given him water and feed him properly.
As you saw in the pictures. He is healthy and doing really good. He is just a pup about 6 months old. He is very much a puppy again, playing and soaking up the love. He gets along with the other animals too.
kpope, glad to see the dog is doing really good. You and Ghost did a good thing in saving this little dog. Another one saved, love to see this. It gives me hope that all of mankind are not idiots and self centered fools.
Isn't there a law against selling animals in poor health? Maybe this Vet should have someone check up on what he is doing. Sounds like one step away from a Breeder.
Maybe the good folks of Berwyn should see where their money is being spent. If the dog belonged to Berwyn on an Animal Control pick up with a ticket number. Then doesn't this dog belong to Berwyn? Should Berwyn have gotten the $200.00 that Ghost paid for him?
I know he did it to save the dog, but the money he paid for him, as far as I am concerned
Belongs to Berwyn, not A-American.
Koss you would think it would. If the dog was still under the jurisdiction of Berwyn. They Monies should belong to Berwyn.
I don't know how the laws in Berwyn work. But, where I used to live it would have gone to the Animal Control. To lower their operation costs, and to the shelter to pay for the necessary vet costs. It sounds like this dog had no care and very little if any cost for food. The whole thing sounds shady to me.
Just learning about this fair little town. Not sure what I think about the folks here. So far the people I meet in the street seems friendly and nice. But, this board sure does not show that.
Not a whole lot of respect for each other and no tolerance for anyone else or their point of view. Especially someone new coming to the board. It's rip them up and their ideas up, make fun of them. Such a childish game for adults to play.
It is a pretty little town without a whole lot of blight. I find the Northside and the Southside, like Ireland. The Irish and English always fighting, when asked what they are fighting about they say it a religious thing. Some don't even know anymore.
The Northside folks and Southside folks don't seem to like each other too. What is the hang up here?
It's a Cubs-Sox thing.
Quote from: SILK on March 14, 2008, 06:12:15 AM
It's a Cubs-Sox thing.
LOL... It does seem like the Cub fans live on the north side of Cermak (except maybe tgoddess?) and the Sox fans live south of Cermak. The only Cub fan I know who lives south of Cermak is Mike O'Connor (although he grew up on the north side of Berwyn, which may explain it).
Then again, P-Panther grew up south of Cermak and he's a Cub fan.
Quote from: Kpope on March 14, 2008, 03:13:41 AMSo far the people I meet in the street seems friendly and nice. But, this board sure does not show that.
You're exactly right Kpope. The way Koss entered the board ripping on people who never so much as uttered a word to him showed a side that might not be true in real life.
The Northside/Southside thang goes way back...stories from scores ago, as well as posts here from South siders illustrate that clearly.
I can give you links...
The old timers have told me in the past that North Berwyn was receiving poorer quality services from various government entities, hence Dist. 98 and North Berwyn Park District. Some of the oldtimers on here will tell you they remember signs at Proksa Park that didn't permit northsiders to use the park. That's one example. I'm sure others can provide more.
I remember also a story posted here from someone back in the 20s or 30s whose family settled in the South, talking about the more affluent neighborhoods on the south side and how they rarely interacted with those from the "North."
Anyone recall that article?
Here is a picture of the "topic of rage" when he was first rescued from his "living hell"...it may be a little blurry but you can see his stomach bulging (like in the pics of poor, starving babies in Africa) and his spine was sticking out. In this photo you cannot see his scars and fungus but believe me, he was NOT a pretty sight...he couldn't even stand on his hind legs, he was dragging them along, because he was so week
Poor, poor animal! That picture alone would make you want to destroy the owner.
When the dog was rescued, what happen to the owners? Was this in Berwyn?
Quote from: Berwyn Patsy on March 14, 2008, 11:23:34 AM
Poor, poor animal! That picture alone would make you want to destroy the owner.
Listen to you! If it was up to you you'd destroy the animal or ship it to another state.
When I picked up Mr. Wiggles at AAmerican he didn't look too much better than that picture. The Vet told me it was a $25.00 a day charge to board the dog. It would cost me over $400.00 to rescue this dog from his situation. I would have paid it, but the Vet told me $200.00. Mr. Wiggles was in horrible shape, but very loving. We went to see Cathy Bedard before taking him to Kpope. He was very cuddly and sweet. He couldn't have been more thrilled to meet Cathy and her children. As mistreated as this dog was, he was thrilled to be around people and get lots of hugs and kisses. This is a dog that will make a family very happy when he is ready for adoption.
Absolutely amazing how forgiving an animal can be after so much abuse. This only thing that I am very concerned about is the fact that AAmerican would "sell" a dog that was very ill and very close to dying. I'm glad we were able to rescue this dog, but why wasn't the dog being treated for the fungus, infections, bite marks. Mr Wiggles was absolutely filthy and his ears were scabbed over with blood from the bite marks on his ears. Why hadn't this dog been given a medicated bath immediatly. Why wasn't this dog on antibiotics for all the infections from the bite marks. He was running a fever too.
Very sad story. Rita, that you for posting about this amazing dog. I hope, when he is well and ready, he is adopted by a loving family and lives a very long, happy, healthy life. He deserves it.
Ghost,
I'd urge you to contact your alderman. Ald. Erickson would probably also be interested, as he recently introduced a new animal ordinance.
Hey Bonster , listen to me again, I still stand by any of my former posts, as to how I
feel about posing a state wide ban on Pitts or pitt mixed breeds, like Michigan has.
It's only my opinion and that won't change. I truly felt bad for that dog. Your comment
wasn't necessary, unless of course you were kidding.
The ban has not worked in some of the states that tried it. Like Colorado. They have more Pit Bull type dogs now than they did before, AND it is costing the tax payers a ton of money just to try and enforce it. There are to many Breeds that look like they might be. There isn't any DNA test to prove a dog is a pit bull. They have court cases up their wa zoo.
I think the courts here have better things to do than to try dog breed cases. How about a ban on gang bangers and making the adults responsible for their kids.
Maybe you would put more restrictions on the care of the animals in Berwyn and take the folks to court and jail time for those that abuse an animal.
Hey, does anyone know the answer to the questions; If Wiggles was seized by Berwyn then he is the property of Berwyn.
How could A-American sell him? And doesn't the money from the sale belong to the Town of Berwyn?
On my way out the door to the Pet Expo in Arlington Hts....again, open invite to all the posters here.....just saw the new pics of Mr. Wiggles....WOW what a transformation. Amazing what some TLC will do for the poor baby. Of course, he is a pit mix and they do LOVE attention and love. Would be interested to know who is responsible, Berwyn or good lord forbid, AAmerican.....and thank you Koss, a ban on gang bangers and more neighborhood cooperation and responsibility is what we need.....NOT a ban on "bully breeds".
Kpope, as OPS said contact your alderman. This whole deal sounds shady, for all we know the
city could have also been invoiced for this animal.
I am sure the City of Berwyn was charged for his care. Just how much. Did they take the $200.00 off the cost?
Would really like to know the answer to this.
This whole situation sounds shady. I also have to wonder about this AAmerican. If Berwyn has a contract with this Vet to take all the dogs that are strays or found in an abusive situation, like this Mr. Wiggles, how much is Berwyn paying them? Was a ticket issued to the people that had Mr. Wiggles? Are any charges being brought against them. If so, could AAmerican sell, this dog? How much of the sale goes back to Berwyn, if any? $25.00 a day boarding charge? Not giving the dog appropriate care? This whole thing sounds VERY shady. I do hope Kpope, Ghost and anyone else who finds this whole thing "not quite above board", contact the Alderman.
Let us know if you hear anything. I think some of us would be interested in a follow-up post.
Good luck contacting an alderman.
Better than doing nothing.
How about contacting the press too?
Excellent questions, Allen.
pittiemom58 did you see Mr. Wiggles at the Pet Expo? We were there for about 4 hours this afternoon. We did a meet and greet with Midwest Rescue. They will be showing him on their board.
As soon as he is well enough he will be altered. He still is a little lean on Muscle. He needs more walks to build him up. Talk to the Shar Pei Rescue, they think he has a little Shar Pei in him. So, he will be listed as a Shar Pit.
Did send his story off to the News Paper. Also, to some of the Alderman in Berwyn.
Kpope.....darn, I was too busy at the booth downstairs. I wish you would have let me know sooner....if you're there today, we're on the first floor boths 161-162...be there ALL day.....come one, come all....gotta go........
As bad as Mr Wiggles may have looked at the time of adoption, he was ALOT worse when he was first found. I saw him when they first admitted him and he was "at death's door"...after two weeks at A-American, I went to visit him...he looked happy and alot healthier...and on the road to recovery - so they must've done something right
Hi Rita:
The thing that concerns me about Mr. Wiggles is this; he was filthy when I first saw him. He had not been given a bath and he had not been treated with antibiotics. I met him at 10:00 and picked him up at 12:00 noon. When I picked him up, that was the first bath he had been given. He was also given his deworming in front of me.
I took him to another vet with Kpope that day. He was running a fever due to infections setting in from all the bite marks on him. He had horrid fungus on his paws. He was dehydrated. HIs ears were all scabbed up and had dried blood on them. His back legs were still in bad shape due to the muscle atrophy setting in. I think the only thing that AAmerican did for him was give him enough food to keep him barely alive.
I'm am so glad that you posted about him. He is now a beautiful dog that is doing very well. He was at the Pet Expo with Kpope and was very popular. I really think that he will be adopted very quickly after he is neutered. He still needs a little time to get stronger before being neutered, but after that he will be on the Midwest Rescue website.
I met pittiemom today...they're doing good work, and agree that the problem is on the high end of the leash.
Quote from: ghost on March 16, 2008, 06:53:08 PM
I really think that he will be adopted very quickly after he is neutered. He still needs a little time to get stronger before being neutered, but after that he will be on the Midwest Rescue website.
I must have missed something. I thought you folks DID rescue him? How many times does he need to be rescued before someone keeps him?
My guess is they are fostering him. Taking him in, taking care of him, and acclimating him to home life. Avoids putting the animal into a kennel where they can get freaky.
Crunchie:
OPS is correct. After reading about Mr. Wiggles on this thread, I called AAmerican to see if he was still there. The next day I went to visit him and see the condition he was in and to observe his temperment. I was stunned at the condition he was in and it was quite obvious that this puppy had a wonderful temperment, regardless of all the abuse he had endured at the hands of his previous owners/abusers. It was a no brainer to get him out of the deplorable environment of AAmerican. As I stated before he hadn't even been given a bath.
After I purchased him, it was not an adoption, I took him for a visit at a friends and then to Kpope. Kpope fosters dogs before they are put up for adoption. In the case of Mr. Wiggles, he was in need of intensive medical care and observation. I was unable to keep him in my home. I have two dogs and a child with Autism. Kpope was better able to care for him than I am, at this time.
OPS. I'm glad that you had the change to meet pittiemom and hear about the good work they are doing. CBB and Midwest Rescue both believe in keeping pups/dogs in foster homes instead of kennels. Foster homes are able to get the dogs used to home life. Keepings dogs in kennels does absolutely nothing for the dog other than making them "cage crazy".
OK, Ghost, thanks for the explanation. You guys run sort of an informal halfway house organization for dogs that you feel have the potential to be good pets?
Yes, I do take in Dogs that have been abused/abandoned/starved, all the cruelty that man can heap on these Dogs. All the dogs that I have rescued in the past 20 years have all been adopted, to good forever homes. I stay in contact with the new owners and help with the transition. They are adopted through various shelters organizations that have room for them and understand the breed of the dog. I do keep them and have the finial approval of their new homes.
Yes, they are all nurtured/spayed when they are adopted and all are in good health with up to date shots. Some may have special needs because of the abuse. I have had several taken from arrests for fighting dogs. Dogs have a great capacity to forgive the abuse they have suffered. Tender Loving care is all it takes. The first few days when they are sleeping they cry and whimper in their sleep and shake, this usually only last a week or so until they get some good care to replace the bad.
Mr. Wiggles received so much love from all the people that came to the Pet Expo that when he came home you could see the difference in him. He also went to the Forest Preserve today and had a ball with all the new smells and things that he saw. He took it all in. He is learning to walk on a lease and does really well with all the basic commands. All his muscles that he lost are coming back.
Mr. Wiggles did need intensive medical care, which is usually paid for by the foster home. Sometimes the Shelters will reimburse you if they get enough donations. But, with the economy such as it is, the shelters are down on there donations.
A shelter dog may have only 3 legs because of abuse, to badly damaged to save it. These are the special need Dogs. They do very well on their 3 legs and become happy dogs again with out any pain.
Mr. Wiggles will be posted on the Midwest Website. www.midwestrescueabull.org but he will not be ready for adoption for about 3 weeks. He needs to recoup and get healthy.
Sorry I forgot the most important thing. Thanks to Rita and Ghost and all the people on this board that cared, another one is saved. We can only save them one at a time.
There are so many of them out that the shelters are really in need of foster homes for these poor animals. If anyone is interested in doing this contact a shelter and volunteer, they need dog walkers for some of the ones that have to be put in kennels. Also, someone to handle the dogs at the various meet and greet events.
Do you only rescue pitbulls, or other breeds as well?
I have had a Very Large Sheep dog, beagle, akita, mini poodle, Dixie dingo, cocker spaniel, shepherd, a lot of small mixed breeds, but lately it has been the pit mixes that are the most in need of homes of good homes and loving families.
Sometimes I get them that they don't need any special care except for some basic training.
I may never have a lot of money in the Bank. But, I am Happy doing what I can to save one of God's special friends he gave to us.
The breed of dog doesn't matter. It's the need of the animal that counts.
If I can get one of the dogs away from dog fighting I will. This I have done a few time. With the help of the Police.
Quote from: Kpope on March 17, 2008, 12:23:07 AM
Yes, I do take in Dogs that have been abused/abandoned/starved, all the cruelty that man can heap on these Dogs.
You're just dealing with the tip of the iceberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tutuFpuUlrE
One of the pits that pittiemom's group had for adoption had had its ears trimmed off by someone using scissors.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 17, 2008, 05:28:43 AM
One of the pits that pittiemom's group had for adoption had had its ears trimmed off by someone using scissors.
That's a common practice when breeding them for fighting.
OPS....great meeting with you yesterday. Wish we had more time to talk....we have some great apps for some of the pups we had there (still have to do house checks and background checks)...raised money for the rescue and hopefully informed some folks the many wonderful attributes of our "pittie" babys. Again, thank you so very much for taking the time to stop and talk!
bonster.....unfortunately, it is all too common a practice. thankfully we saved this beautiful little girl...we think they wanted her to look more "pitbullish" She has the most beautiful, trusting brown eyes and one of the sweetest temperments. Everyone that meets her falls in love........
Midwest has a female that has her one ear trimed with sissors. She is a really sweet dog. They forgive people for almost anything that they do to them.
Happy St. Patrick's Day. This is one of my fosters last year.
Quote from: Kpope on March 17, 2008, 09:14:32 AM
They forgive people for almost anything that they do to them.
Like dressing them up on Holidays. ;D
No, Bons, aren't those the replacements they get when their ears are lopped off?
Crunchie, don't you know we usually put devil ears on our dogs? They are "pit bulls" after all!!!!!!!!
Kpope:
Zoe looks adorable, though I can tell she wasn't too happy.
Pittiemom:
You're right! On Halloween I always put devil horns on my pittiebaby and take her trick or treating with my daughter. :666:
Yes, they are forgiving, especially for dressing them up on the holidays. :D
Thought some of you would like to hear about Wiggles. I had to work today so I didn't make the hearing on the owners of Wiggles and the cruelty charge against them. But, I did have a representative from Midwest there to represent him.
The owner said that he found the dog in the alley near his home. He just put the dog in the garage to take care of him that he was in that condition when he found him. Don't know if he was telling the truth or not. Hearing Officer told him that it was up to the Rescue to give him back or not. No way this will ever happen. This does mean that there is dog fighting going on in that area in Berwyn.
Still have not gotten an answer on the question, does the money A-American got go to Berwyn, or was the cost of his so called taking care of him reduced by the $200.00?
For all you civic minded people here this information might be of interest to you, if you really want to do something about making Berwyn Safe. Plus you will get money for doing so. Instead all the talk about banning any breed. Do something about it by reporting the illegal activities.
Higher Reward for Dog Fighting Information Unleashed
by Jessica Del Curto
It's a common belief that those who deal in dog fighting also tend to participate in other criminal activities. Illegal gambling, narcotics and gang activity can often times be intertwined with the sport, said Michael Roach, Vice President of the Field Operations and Humane Law Enforcement of the Anti-Cruelty Society in Chicago.
"The use of a dog for fighting purposes is the same as carrying a weapon," he said. "What we see in the Chicagoland area is a direct connection to gang activity, violence and dog fighting – it goes hand in hand."
As a result, the Chicago Police Department and the Humane Society of the United States announced last week that the cash reward for information leading to the arrest of dog fighters was raised to $5,000.
"It's a wonderful thing that they are joining together to end this blood sport," Roach said.
Working in humane law enforcement, Roach said there are three types of dog fighting – the street fighters, the hobbyists and the professionals. In Chicago, the most common form of the sport is street fighting.
These people are usually beginners. They use their dogs for clout, respect and machismo, Roach said. They walk their dogs with heavy chains around their neck, gaining bragging rights and intimidating neighbors. In more serious cases, like the case of former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, who was sentenced to prison for running a dog-fighting ring, the dogs that don't win could be tortured, shot, set on fire and then thrown in the trash.
Dog fighting is illegal in the United States. According to the Humane Society of the United States, in Illinois, a person caught being a spectator can be charged with a misdemeanor while someone in possession of fighting dogs can be charged with a felony. Dogs that are recovered from fighting rings often have to be euthanized because they are too injured or violent to be adopted.
The problem lies in catching the fights in the act, Roach said, because the lookout system put in place by dog fighters are unbelievable.
"Very seldom are police going to come across dog fighting in progress. You have to have informants and overdeveloped information as to when and where one is taking place," he said.
Chicago Sergeant Eldon Urbikas, of the animal crime unit, said his unit investigates about eight or nine calls of animal cruelty a day.
"The majority of dog fighting cases involve street dog fighters. One kid has a dog, and another kid has a dog, and they say 'My dog is tougher than your dog.' They meet at a certain place, at a certain time. The dogs bark and snarl at each other, and that's pretty much it. But regardless, it's still a felony," Urbikas said.
Upon suspicion of dog fighting, call (800) 535-7867.
Signs that possibly indicate dogfighting:
• Dogs chained in backyards, empty lots or garages
• Dogs with scars on their face, chest and legs
• Training equipment in backyards and garages, including ropes hanging from tree branches with knots in them, or treadmills used for stamina training
• Dogs that suddenly go missing in a community
For further information, The Human Society of the United States website is: http://www.hsus.org.
Quote from: Kpope on March 21, 2008, 12:06:54 AM
The owner said that he found the dog in the alley near d the cruelty his home. He just put the dog in the garage to take care of him that he was in that condition when he found him. Don't know if he was telling the truth or not. Hearing Officer told him that it was up to the Rescue to give him back or not. No way this will ever happen. This does mean that there is dog fighting going on in that area in Berwyn.
You say you don't know if the owner was telling the truth or not. Then you conclude there is dog fighting going on in that part of Berwyn. That's quite a leap. Care to fill us in on how you got to that conclusion, or do you just "know" it, or have "heard" it?
What part of Berwyn, Kpope?
Didn't get the address, but it would be public record.
How do I conclude about dog fighting in the area, because the dog was bit up in a fight or as a bait dog. Don't think he was the winner. He had to many bite marks Even the Hearing Office agreed when he saw the picture taken when he was picked up at A-American.
Now only 3 weeks later he show very little of his scars. Has gone from 26 lbs to 48 lbs and he is still a little thin. Almost all of his hair is back.
Area is near the Police Station the blocks south and west of the Police Station did not get the address from Midwest, because I didn't ask.
The general area is all I was interested in.
Quote from: Kpope on March 21, 2008, 02:19:51 AM
How do I conclude about dog fighting in the area, because the dog was bit up in a fight or as a bait dog. Don't think he was the winner. He had to many bite marks Even the Hearing Office agreed when he saw the picture taken when he was picked up at A-American.
Just cause he was chewed up doesn't mean the owner did it or that it happened in Berwyn. You don't make any sense.
Crunchie:
It's not hard to make that leap, as much as you may not like it. The dog could not walk. It was dragging it's legs behind it. It was starved, chewed up. It was coverd in scars and had plenty of new ones. Now, unless someone drove over and threw it out of a car; it was from that area. It could not have traveled far.
Exactly, unless, .... blah, blah, blah. These kind of conclusions are what got us into Iraq also. If you guys spoke from a position of knowledge instead of bullshit and conjecture, you could get a lot more people on your side.
Iraq war/abused pit bull pup. OMG!!! You certainly are a tool, aren't you? How you can compair a hearing officer and others coming to the conclusion that there possibly is a pit bull fighting ring in the area where a severly abused pit bull pup/bait pup was found to the Iraq War is amazing.
Yes, it is amazing. Actually "us guys" do speak from a position of knowledge and not, how was it so succinctly put...."bullshit and conjecture". What happened to open discussion and a reasonable exchange of ideas and knowledge?
Yes, the attacks are horrendous. Yes, a dog that attacks a human should be put down. No, a ban is not the answer.
That comparison is beyond amazing. A severly abused pit bull pup is found in a garage. It could not walk, it was starved and covered in bite marks etc. It was a tragic sight. Yes, the court/hearing officer came to the conclusion that a possible pit bull ring maybe in the area. Most dogs that are used a bait are not driven to another town to be disposed of/dropped off. They are disposed of by drowning, electrocution, cremated, buried, evidence destroyed etc.
These kind of conclusions are what got us into the Iraq War???????!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell???? Talk about "bullshit and conjecture".
Pittiemom is right. No one disputes that attacks are horrendous. A dog, any dog, that attacks a human should be put down. Owners should be fined till it hurts.
Quote from: Allen on March 21, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Iraq war/abused pit bull pup. OMG!!! You certainly are a tool, aren't you? How you can compair a hearing officer and others coming to the conclusion that there possibly is a pit bull fighting ring in the area where a severly abused pit bull pup/bait pup was found to the Iraq War is amazing.
Take it easy gang. As usual, none of you comprehended what was said. All I meant was neither conclusion makes any sense. You can go back to your clubhouse and have a strategy meeting now.
Well, let's at least I hope that you now realize that the conclusion does make some sense. As much as you would not like to admit it.
We really should form a "club". That would be nice if we all met each other.
What do all of you think? Maybe we should set a date and all get together. That's a great idea!!!!!!
I'll send a PM to all of you and maybe we can set a date. If you don't have your e-mail listed, mine is. Just send me a PM with your email address.
Great suggestion Crunchie!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Allen on March 21, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
Well, let's at least I hope that you now realize that the conclusion does make some sense. As much as you would not like to admit it.
We really should form a "club". That would be nice if we all met each other.
What do all of you think? Maybe we should set a date and all get together. That's a great idea!!!!!!
I'll send a PM to all of you and maybe we can set a date. If you don't have your e-mail listed, mine is. Just send me a PM with your email address.
Great suggestion Crunchie!!!!!!!!
Perhaps on that note, this would be an excellant time to end this thread that has become an endless
ying and yang pissing match. Other matters in Berwyn deserve our undivided attention.
The club concept is a great idea, those who wish to continue such banter may do such in that setting.
I think I would show up, my mutt Fuzzbutt has been interacting with my neighbors fowl who venture
into her territory...I may find resolution to my dilema in a disscusion gruop such as this.
Oh, and yes Fuzzbutt is female.
Thanks Bear:
I shared that one with my wife. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D
What about the so-termed "pittie" people forming an advisory committee to the City. Maybe they can get involved in rooting out problem owners and work with law enforcement to stop abuse of ALL dogs in Berwyn. Obviously people would need to volunteer to do this. Maybe people are reluctant to call police (for whatever reason) but would be more open to calling such a group, who could then take the complaint from there, substantiate abuse and then involve law enforcement. I'm just throwing this out, but since it is unlikely we will ever have a special unit that would handle this from our PD, a volunteer force can be effective in being the eyes and ears, take the complaints and try to do something. Certainly, it would be helpful for dogs not living under the best conditions outdoors. Where there's a will, there is a way.
Apatriot:
Thank you for such a compassionate, reasonable idea. It certainly is nice to read a post that is not filled with "hate" & "contempt" and also has a very reasonable suggestion to help solve a problem that Berwyn is facing.
Again, Thank you!
Apatriot:
Thank you for such a compassionate, reasonable idea. It certainly is nice to read a post that is not filled with "hate" & "contempt" like the ones we're used to reading from Koss, Allen, and Kpope (the KAK Committee), and also has a very reasonable suggestion to help solve a problem that Berwyn is facing.
Again, Thank you! ;D
That was a great idea Apat, would have thought it would have come up earlier.
Allen and all the others who are all about enforcing and changing the ordinances,
as a group could probably make a difference.
Example, look what CARES has accomplished by forming a group of concerned people who
wanted change.
You are welcome, but I will say I'm disappointed that the pittie people were not way ahead of me on this.
Look, I love animals. I hate people who absuse them. Somebody right now from these organizations should be working with Erickson (since he is drafting this ordinance) and say, hey, we have taken the heat on the rescue and promotion of pits. Now we want to show the community that we ARE serious about the ENTIRE problem. We want the City to allow us to be part of a special group/unit to investigate cruelty, abuse, irresponsibility of OWNERS of ALL DOGS and CATS, and any other living creature that may be suffering at the hands of a HUMAN, and once it is determined that there is a problem, the group would have the power to bring in the police. A hot line advertised by the City through a water bill notice or notices for your car sticker, a write up in the newspaper (the newspaper would do well to serve the community if they posted the number gratis). Of course, before ANY of this is done, you need to have a group of volunteers in place ready to go. People can take pictures, video and submit to help aid the group.
Take a situation like Ted states: A neighbor who is eager now to move because she and child cannot be in front of the house because someone is allowing their dogs to go nuts. There is a big difference between that situation and the story I told of my across the street neighbor whose Rot tells me in no uncertain terms "I'm watching you". It takes a person, a group who understands dogs to make these determinations. I have only heard from Allen on this suggestion. We need to hear from the rest. The outrage heard here is because all residents ever hear on any problem is talk. If a group is truly serious in convincing us they are doing good, they also need to address the cause of the problem. This would be a grassroots effort and no doubt others in the community who would want to join in should be able to.
I think when word gets out Berwyn is clamping down, appointing a special group/unit, and that there will be a hot line to report, we just might be sending the last warning to those that totally disregard their neighbor's safety, and demonstrate that we will not tolerate animal abuse, neglect, and irresponsibility in Berwyn when it comes to pets. This proactive approach would be a BIG plus for Berwyn.
Quote from: apatriot on March 22, 2008, 09:24:04 AM
You are welcome, but I will say I'm disappointed that the pittie people were not way ahead of me on this.
Did you mean pity people?
I am disappointed in us too apatriot. I think we were too busy trying to change everyone's mind about the breed and "taking the bait" from some ignorant postings.
I think you made a very level headed and excellent suggestion.
Again, Thank You!!
It would be REALLY helpful if you didn't call people "ignorant" because they disagree with you. If your goal is to show that Pit-type dogs are not aggressive and offensive, a good start would be to behave politely yourself. No one EVER changed their mind after being called ignorant.
-Rob
I apologize if you find that offensive. I am new here, but I find that many on this board, in this thread and others go out of their way to be rude and have no interest in listenng to any other point of view. I know I should not fall for it, however many times it is very difficult. Yes, maybe I shouldn't use the word ignorant, however that is how it appears throughout many of the postings. I know that through some of the PM's, that is why people don't want to post and join in the threads. If you notice there are is a large number of members, but only a few that post all the time. The others become intimidated by the tone on many of threads. They find this board unwelcoming and very unfriendly.
Quote from: Allen on March 22, 2008, 02:50:45 PM
If you notice there are is a large number of members, but only a few that post all the time. The others become intimidated by the tone on many of threads. They find this board unwelcoming and very unfriendly.
Meh. You should have seen this place in 2005. Made these days look like a children's playground. Give 'em a few years in Berwyn, they'll toughen up.
The problem I have with the notion of ignorance is that many here characterized as ignorant are in fact quite familiar with the breed, and stand their ground for what they believe are valid reasons.
As much as you laud apatriot's fantastic idea, a few months back apat was all about banning the breed and would have been on your hit list, no doubt. And I can tell you apat is a huge dog lover!
Amazing Allen! You came in with your group just 3 short weeks ago and already you know every problem with the board; why people don't post, how everyone's ignorance (but yours) and rudeness turns people away, etc. Here's a simple fact. You and your ilk only add to the suffering because you are part of the "demand chain". That's right, it's economics pure and simple. Right now the supply far exceeds the demand and the breed should be banned and culled. Culling is being forced upon the shelters. Banning would be the kindest thing possible. If you can't own a thug dog in Berwyn, then that's one less dog on the demand side. Get it?
You don't understand how shelters are coping, or trying to cope with the strain. Did you know that the thug dogs now get shipped from Hinsdale to Animal Welfare League on Southwest Hwy because they don't stand a chance in Hinsdale. Those thug dogs are using up all the resources. Plain and Simple. As a result, animals that would normally be held for several weeks are now being terminated prematurely. No one will tell what the actual time limit is now, from capture to tomb. Thug dogs that show aggressive behavior are terminated immediately, often without a valid eval period.
It doesn't matter to your crowd .What you folks do is force the cruelest course of action. You have no right to be smug.
A "hit list" does not exist. As far as I can tell, those in favor of "no bsl" are very familiar with the breed. Kpope, ghost and pittiemom sound like they work with rescues that work with the "bully breed".
Buzz: Never came here with a "group". I would love to meet them, especially pittiemom.
Thanks for proving my point. You also never answered my question.
Quote from: Allen on March 22, 2008, 07:01:13 PM
A "hit list" does not exist. As far as I can tell, those in favor of "no bsl" are very familiar with the breed. Kpope, ghost and pittiemom sound like they work with rescues that work with the "bully breed".
Buzz: Never came here with a "group". I would love to meet them, especially pittiemom.
Thanks for proving my point. You also never answered my question.
Such a fool. Where did anyone say hit list? Where did anyone say anything about rescues? You don't have a point. Breed rescues are well meaning, but they have no control over the everyday machinations of the shelter.
Did you see any of the thug dogs at today's meeting at the Petco in Matteson? No. People aren't adopting them. In plain terms, they just aren't marketable.
Ban them. Stop the suffering.
And I thought you had alllllllll the answers!
Queenie was last seen 2/23/2008 @ 11:47:07 P.M.
Buzz, Hinsdale has a no kill policy. I stop in there a few times a month to visit the "hoodlums"
behind bars. I have rarely seen a pit there, I was not aware of any shipping of dogs.
They have a great selection of dogs, as well as the evil cat breed. It is probably harder to adopt
a pet from them than adopting a child. They have an intensive interview process which I applaud,
as far as I know, every hound stays there till they are adopted. They do have a relationship with HPD
and Burr Ridge PD as a holding area for strays. I will ask the cops I know, but I think a pit being picked up in that area is very rare, 9 out of 10 times it is someones dog who got out.
Buzz: The beginning of my post had nothing to do with you. Apparently you can't read.
Bonsters post:
The problem I have with the notion of ignorance is that many here characterized as ignorant are in fact quite familiar with the breed, and stand their ground for what they believe are valid reasons.
As much as you laud apatriot's fantastic idea, a few months back apat was all about banning the breed and would have been on your hit list, no doubt. And I can tell you apat is a huge dog lover!
Buzz: Again, thank you for proving my point about how rude people can be, at times, on this board.
I still haven't seen "Pitbull Queen" or "Queen" on the members list.
Did CBBR or Midwest schedule a meet and greet at the Petco in Matteson? If they did, you would have seen the "Bully Breed". I don't travel out to Matteson's Petco. I buy my dog's food, toys and treats at the Petco in NR or PetSmart in Broadview or Pet Supplies Plus in Chicago. You will see Bully Breed dogs at these Pet Stores when CBBR or Midwest or another Bully Breed Rescue is scheduled. Breed Specific Rescues make appointments to do "meet and greets".
Quote from: Bear on March 22, 2008, 07:38:33 PM
Buzz, Hinsdale has a no kill policy. I stop in there a few times a month to visit the "hoodlums"
behind bars. I have rarely seen a pit there, I was not aware of any shipping of dogs.
Bear, I hate to burst the bubble, but their is no such thing as a no kill shelter. Hinsdale is one the the finer shelters in the area. The location is a more affluent neighborhood, they are supported well by donations. Their recent expansion (last 3 years?) testifies to that. Hinsdale, because of it's location is much less likely to be full. If you hear the term bypass, it means exactly what it does in a hospital. Full, don't even bring them here. This time of year, few will be full.
Most of their boarders are brought in with the same common complaints.
Child is allergic.
Doesn't get along with other pets.
Moving.
Divorce ( Rarely, usually the use the pet as a pawn.)
Too much work.
"Can't Keep"
In many instances the owner passed.
They actually have a great return rate because so many folks in the area "chip" their pets.
Check with your buddies. Let me know what they tell you.
Quote from: Allen on March 22, 2008, 08:40:49 PM
Buzz: Again, thank you for proving my point about how rude people can be, at times, on this board.
I did not prove your point. Your the rudest thing on this board.
No one from any rescue was in Matteson to my knowlege. It was sponsored by AWL. Their were no thug dogs present, mostly shep mixes. The only time the thug dogs get dragged out is when one of the groups you mentioned sponsors the event.
That was you trying for a second signon, wasn't it? Queenie's still out there all you have to do is remember the password.
Someting tell me that you are all, very soon going to want to ban the Rottweiller breed now.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 22, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Someting tell me that you are all, very soon going to want to ban the Rottweiller breed now.
Not me. The stats don't warrant it.
Bon is totally correct. It's true. I was totally for banning because I saw no responsibility being taken by ANYONE. When that happens then, YES, citizens have to demand a final solution. AND, I will be for banning in the future if there are more instances and nothing is being done. If the City cannot do something, then the citizens have to DEMAND it. I gave you my idea for getting something started to address dogs that can cause some serious damange be it Dobi, Rot, Shepherd, or Pit, and to stop abuse and neglect.
What kicked this whole topic off was the raffle held by the DCOB. Well, that kicked it off and then we got ticked off because WE KNOW we have problems right here in River City with pits in particular. I'm sure many more comprise the group. The City has antiquated ordinances that don't address the present day problems. Next, we had people coming in to defend the pit in particular. Fine. They need to be held to the higher standard because they are the people trying to convince an entire community that it's not the pit, it's the people. Right now, all we have is Erickson with advise from Joe Cocker drafting new ordinances. Great. But you and I both know that some people give two chits about ordinances. The watchdog group, however, is still needed because you have a lot of people who do not trust the police. Police are not experts on what is and what is not abuse. It's a problem that has many prongs.
During the summer these two tojo hispanic teens that weigh about 200 lbs. each. One sits in a wheelchair (he is NOT disabled), and the other is on a skateboard behind him. Rope from around the pits neck, pulling the wheelchair, and twenty feet of rope further back the kid on the skateboard is holding on. They usually pick a 90 degree day to go about in this manner. #1. I'm not taking any dog out on a 90 degree day for exercise. That is for very early morning, or evening. Here they are going up and down the street. The dog's tongue is hanging sideways, his coat is soaked with sweat. He looks crazed. Now you call the police. Can you identify? Yes, two fat hispanic teens. One in a wheelchair and the other behind him on a skateboard. Well, what's the problem. The problem is this dog is dying over here trying to pull tojo and his brother. Are they still there? NO. Which way did they go. I don't know. Well, we'll have an officer come by.
OK. I could take video. Video of who? I have no idea where they live. I don't know who they are.
Another guy just plain walks up and down the block with the dog loose (a pit). Dog runs wildly from one side of the street to the other pissing on anything he can. The guy calls him MotherFkr. I guess that's the dogs name. He'll yell get the F over here. I told him once the laws are that you must have the dog on a leash. He told me to go F myself. I told him I was already F'd. I don't know who he is. I don't know where he lives. They come ... they go. Police are not going to go riding around looking for him, I know that. Damage has to come first, THEN the police. That's why we've got to get proactive. We've got to take the discussion we've had here and put it into action. If nothing is done, then people should NOT be shocked at the call for a ban.
Quote from: apatriot on March 22, 2008, 11:04:43 PM
Another guy just plain walks up and down the block with the dog loose (a pit). Dog runs wildly from one side of the street to the other pissing on anything he can. The guy calls him MotherFkr. I guess that's the dogs name. He'll yell get the F over here. I told him once the laws are that you must have the dog on a leash. He told me to go F myself. I told him I was already F'd. I don't know who he is. I don't know where he lives. They come ... they go. Police are not going to go riding around looking for him, I know that. Damage has to come first, THEN the police. That's why we've got to get proactive. We've got to take the discussion we've had here and put it into action. If nothing is done, then people should NOT be shocked at the call for a ban.
This reminds me of the noise ordinance for the bigass bass speakers in cars. People got fed up and passed the tough ordinance against them and enforced it, and it has made a difference. If there was a stiff fine for letting your dog run free like $100 the first time, $500 second time, $1,000 third time or confiscate the dog, then these douche bags wouldn't be so arrogant. It really is a common sense issue; in a crowded urban environment, no dogs should be running loose. Not only are people being endangered, but so are the dogs.
buzz, come on. I think Allen has been pretty courteous considering he is among the few having to defend against many. They are people trying to do good, but so are those that are for the ban. I see both sides very clearly, and I say there is a way, but people have to get involved, and the City has to be willing to do what's right. If we can set some really stiff rules and regs., a hotline, investigation of abuse, breeders, the whole nine yards, we can become a community that forces responsibility and an example to other communities on how a problem like this can be solved. That's partly the problem with Berwyn. They always look around to see what other communities are doing, instead of thinking on their own. We are followers not leaders.
Crunch. How about $1,000 right off the bat? Let's skip the chunk change.
Quote from: apatriot on March 22, 2008, 11:21:12 PM
Crunch. How about $1,000 right off the bat? Let's skip the chunk change.
Give 'em one chance to show it's serious. Maybe a hundred, then a thousand, then byebye poochie.
Apat, Bon, Crunchie.... You're right. Ya' got to at least give them a chance. This has gotten curiouser and curiouser. Someone provided a link to the original thread (which I've lost of course) and I started out against the ban. Now I fully support it. I'll shutup and see what happens.
Buzz.
Again, contact your aldermen, and contact Erickson telling them WHY you support his ordinance.
He does address problems in a reasonable manner. He does impose fines for not following the rules.
I don't really care for the pit bulls. That's personal preference. I also really don't care for itty bitty foo foo dogs either.
I'd like to see more stringent enforcement of the licensing. I'd like to see enforcement of leash laws. BUT, the BPD are busy dealing with the owners of many of these dogs.
Contact your aldermen, contact the mayor, raise the issue with them.
Just an FYI, when I was at the Pet Expo last week, both the UofI vet school and the Vetinary Medical Association (I think I got their name right) specifically said they are against breed specific legislation. I'd rather devote my efforts towards something practical than hoping to solve the problem with one magic bullet.
I am behind him 100 percent. Will do everything I can to get this ordinance to pass.
Kpope was doing something with the D.W.A.G group about making sure the dude didn't get a pass if I read his post right. That the next offense would be a felony.
Muzzling pit bulls, or politicians?
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Today, inspired by recent events in Baltimore County, I would like to propose some legislation.
Whereas, politicians have repeatedly screwed things up, and aforementioned mistakes often have long-lasting negative effects on the rest of our lives, and;
Whereas, politicians have again and again been caught up in illegal, corrupt and illicit activities and affairs that reflect poorly on the rest of our species, and;
Whereas, while all humans are capable of inflicting harm, politicians are stronger and have more of a bite, leading to the infliction of greater damage;
Therefore, be it resolved that the following bit of "occupation-specific" legislation is hereby enacted, requiring (A) politicians to be kept in a wire mesh enclosure at all times, and;
(B) When not occupying said wire mesh enclosures, all politicians shall be muzzled while amongst the public to prevent the spread of lies, deception and empty promises, and;
(C) When inside their homes and/or offices, those premises must be clearly marked with signs that say "Beware of Politician," or "Vicious Politician Inside" and ...
OK, maybe that's going too far, but that's exactly what two Baltimore County Council members have done by proposing a bill that would require pit bulls -- for starters, anyway -- be muzzled in public and kept locked up in private. The bill, which also calls for extra licensing fees, mandatory insurance and inspection of homes with pit bulls, is scheduled for a vote next month.
Not only is that cruelty to animals, it's racist.
Or at least breedist. Because a dog is, or contains amounts of, what we generally refer to as pit bull is no reason to single it out to a caged and muzzled life.
As anyone who has seen the movie (plug coming up), "Hey, Mister, What Kind of Dog is That?" knows, the percentage of various breeds that might be in a dog is mostly meaningless.
Both the city and county have seen some tragic incidents this year involving what have been described as pit bulls. But breed-specific legislation in neither a reasonable nor humane response to it. The answer is tracking down and arresting the Michael Vicks of the world is -- those that would instill and encourage vicious behavior in dogs for their own sick enjoyment.
Quote from: buzz on March 22, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 22, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Someting tell me that you are all, very soon going to want to ban the Rottweiller breed now.
Not me. The stats don't warrant it.
Me neither.
(http://inplainsight.net/boris8.jpg) (http://inplainsight.net/boris8.jpg)
Boris(Click to Enlarge)
I just finished reading Erickson's proposed ordinance. I think he did a great job. A bit lengthy, but good. I understand he needed to be detailed.
I do intend to send him an e-mail.
I agree with the fact that we need to fine people, as I said before, hit them in the pocket book where it hurts. I also agree, give them one chance. Unfortunately accidents do happen, children open gates to get a toy out of your yard, dogs can sometimes be escape artist etc. $100.00 to start, but after that, it should be a stiff fine, after that bye bye poochy. If you adopt a dog, you have accepted responsibility to the dog. It is a lifetime responsibility. Bully Breed or any Breed, owners need to be responsible.
Buzz: Wrong!!!!!! Queenie/Pitbull Queen or whatever was not me. Name is Allen Proffitt, I live in South Berwyn, married, 3 children, 1 dog, new to Berwyn, was told about Berwyn Talk Forum, decided to take a look, read about "bully breed" dogs and decided to post. End of story. Believe what you want to believe.
Boris looks like a beautiful, well cared for, loved dog!
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 23, 2008, 02:32:33 AM
I don't really care for the pit bulls. That's personal preference. I also really don't care for itty bitty foo foo dogs either.
Candy will be crushed. :)
Quote from: tgoddess on March 23, 2008, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 23, 2008, 02:32:33 AM
I don't really care for the pit bulls. That's personal preference. I also really don't care for itty bitty foo foo dogs either.
Candy will be crushed. :)
She's cool. More like the little puffy things. Bichon Freise (sp) etc.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 23, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: tgoddess on March 23, 2008, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 23, 2008, 02:32:33 AM
I don't really care for the pit bulls. That's personal preference. I also really don't care for itty bitty foo foo dogs either.
Candy will be crushed. :)
She's cool. More like the little puffy things. Bichon Freise (sp) etc.
yes, she is! Candy has a big-dog attitude (and lacks the neurotic yappy personality of some dogs that size). You could picture her holding a cocktail ...
Quote from: bonster on March 23, 2008, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: buzz on March 22, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 22, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Someting tell me that you are all, very soon going to want to ban the Rottweiller breed now.
Not me. The stats don't warrant it.
Me neither.
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Boris
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Oh you justa marka my words guys!
SCat,
For the most part, the Rotts I've dealt with have been nice and docile...you got somethin' against Rotties?
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 24, 2008, 10:21:44 AM
SCat,
For the most part, the Rotts I've dealt with have been nice and docile...you got somethin' against Rotties?
I do not have a prejudice against one particular type of dog. Actually yes I do, I am against all loose dogs. I am very scared when there are dogs with out the leashes and a human to accompany them. I find it scary that so many canines in this city, take their walks without their owners. If I were in charge of the state of affairs here in Berwyn, I would make sure the punishment is so severe in these situations, that the owners would not let it happen even once. If you knew that Berwyn, no matter what, made you pay an exorbitant amount of money when your dog gets out, would you let it happen? If your dog gets out a second time, they take the dog away from you and declare you as unfit/negligent animal owner and you are not permitted to own another animal as long as you are living here in this city.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 24, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
I do not have a prejudice against one particular type of dog. Actually yes I do, I am against all loose dogs.
Is that an AKC registered breed?
Quote from: bonster on March 24, 2008, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 24, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
I do not have a prejudice against one particular type of dog. Actually yes I do, I am against all loose dogs.
Is that an AKC registered breed?
Bon, you know what SCat means...she doen't like dogs who are promiscuous, and lack moral restraint/integrity...Jeez, even a simpleton such as myself could figure that one out!
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 24, 2008, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: bonster on March 24, 2008, 10:43:54 AM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 24, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
I do not have a prejudice against one particular type of dog. Actually yes I do, I am against all loose dogs.
Is that an AKC registered breed?
Bon, you know what SCat means...she doen't like dogs who are promiscuous, and lack moral restraint/integrity...Jeez, even a simpleton such as myself could figure that one out!
I don't understand. I ONLY like dogs who are promiscuous, and lack moral restraint/integrity! ;D
Woof.
(Sorry, TyRy!) :)
Bonster, you would love my Mia Bella......I'm pretty sure she's promiscuous and she definitely lacks moral restraint! We also have one of those small "yappy" dogs, unfortunately. But hey, she's almost 17 yrs old so she gets away with her annoying personality...besides, she's really cute....
Us "pittie people" are 100% getting behind the ordinance and organizing a "watch" committee for irresponsible dog owners.
I'm just wondering if animal control/police will be behind/alongside us????
Quote from: bonster on March 23, 2008, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: buzz on March 22, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 22, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Someting tell me that you are all, very soon going to want to ban the Rottweiller breed now.
Not me. The stats don't warrant it.
Me neither.
(http://inplainsight.net/boris8.jpg) (http://inplainsight.net/boris8.jpg)
Boris
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Quote from: bonster
Berwyn Police Blotter
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Small, leashed dog dead after attack by at-large Rottweiler
See, what I tell you? This breed of dog eats a fellow dog for lunch and you still like this breed but if it was Pitbull who do this, everyone would be up in arms, no?
ScimmiaCattiva...you are one hell of an EvilMonkey!!!
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 26, 2008, 10:37:11 AM
See, what I tell you? This breed of dog eats a fellow dog for lunch and you still like this breed but if it was Pitbull who do this, everyone would be up in arms, no?
Correct!~
It's a matter of few and far-between vs. commonplace.
:)
Punishment should fit the crime, it doesn't matter what breed is involved.
Quote from: Allen on March 28, 2008, 08:49:01 PM
Punishment should fit the crime, it doesn't matter what breed is involved.
... unless the breed is a wolf ... ooops, I guess that means the state has breed-specific legislation <LOL>
Believe what you want, Ted!!!!!!!!!!!!
So should PEOPLE of different races, who commit murder, receive different punishment, based upon their ethnic background? i.e. Are people of, say, Arab (insert whatever suits your fancy here) dissent more predisposed to act in a violent manner? Are they the conceived "Pitbulls" of the human race?
Exactamundo.
So now we're ascribing free will to animals? It's a compelling sound byte but as a logical proposition you've got some fatal flaws there.
-Rob
Yes, euthanize all the Pitbulls and Arabs.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 30, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
Yes, euthanize all Arabs.
No, just penalize their irresponsible owners.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 30, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
Yes, euthanize all the Pitbulls and Arabs.
Naw.....I only kill what I can eat.
Quote from: Bear on March 30, 2008, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 30, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
Yes, euthanize all the Pitbulls and Arabs.
Naw.....I only kill what I can eat.
What, you've never tried Arab stew...wrapped in turban? Sounds Sikh but it's mighty tasty : )
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on March 30, 2008, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Bear on March 30, 2008, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on March 30, 2008, 11:24:53 AM
Yes, euthanize all the Pitbulls and Arabs.
Naw.....I only kill what I can eat.
What, you've never tried Arab stew...wrapped in turban? Sounds Sikh but it's mighty tasty : )
^^^^^^^
Oh, 'rita...'rita...'rita...
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on March 30, 2008, 10:24:25 AM
So should PEOPLE of different races, who commit murder, receive different punishment, based upon their ethnic background? i.e. Are people of, say, Arab (insert whatever suits your fancy here) dissent more predisposed to act in a violent manner? Are they the conceived "Pitbulls" of the human race?
Pitbulls are NOT "
PEOPLE " . They are just dumb, stupid vicious dogs.
If all animals are to be subject to civil rights laws, then logically you would have to extend those laws to lions and tigers and bears (oh my). Should civil rights laws be used to argue that people ought to be able to keep lions as pets? Wolves as pets?
Dogs are not people and do not enjoy the legal rights or protections that a human being enjoys. We as a society have a right to discriminate against dangerous breeds of animals that are a danger to society and a menace to human life.
Ted
No Ted, "pitbulls" are not people. Nor are they dumb, acually they are one of the smartest and easiest to train. And no, they are not stupid...the folks who abuse the dogs and "train" them to fight are really the dumb and supid ones. And to call them all vicious is just wrong and misinformed. I realize you and others who post here have already formed rather strong opinions regarding the "pit bull", but people such as myself and others keep plodding away trying to maintain some semblance of balance in these "discussions".
Dogs over time have been domesticated...I'm not aware that's true for lions and tigers and bears..oh my!
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 31, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
No Ted, "pitbulls" are not people. Nor are they dumb, acually they are one of the smartest and easiest to train. And no, they are not stupid...the folks who abuse the dogs and "train" them to fight are really the dumb and supid ones. And to call them all vicious is just wrong and misinformed. I realize you and others who post here have already formed rather strong opinions regarding the "pit bull", but people such as myself and others keep plodding away trying to maintain some semblance of balance in these "discussions".
Dogs over time have been domesticated...I'm not aware that's true for lions and tigers and bears..oh my!
Wrong, Pitbulls are dumb, stupid, vicious animals and they ought to be banned, in the same way that the State of Illinois bans wolf-dogs.
Ted
Quote from: pittiemom58 on March 31, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
I realize you and others who post here have already formed rather strong opinions regarding the "pit bull", but people such as myself and others keep plodding away trying to maintain some semblance of balance in these "discussions".
You're not maintaining any balance. You're sponsoring the wrong agenda. Pit Bulls are unpredictable. Pit Bulls are capable of inflicting tremendous injury. Our community will not suffer when we succeed in banning them, or at least in deterring their ownership.
Quote from: buzz on March 31, 2008, 09:47:51 AM
Pit Bulls are unpredictable.
In Local Ordinance hearings at the BPD, time and time again I've heard the Hearing Officer say, "The behavior of all breeds of dogs is unpredictable. All dogs are like timebombs; never know when they might just go off and attack another person or animal - regardless of "obedience training." Thus, the $750.00 fine to persons who allow their dog(s) to run "at large" -- no matter the animal be an Old English Mastiff or Great Dane -- or a "tea cup" Chihuahua.
I think he means they're "more" unpredictable than the rest . . .
I hope that isn't for the first time Linda.
If so, that is just crazy and an attempt to extract money out of residents.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 31, 2008, 10:55:54 AM
I hope that isn't for the first time Linda.
If so, that is just crazy and an attempt to extract money out of residents.
The way I understand it, if the dog's owner shows up at the hearing, they will be fined $100.00 ("for costs") if it is their first citation. If they don't show -- it is $750.00
ex parte. Repeat offenders, of course, face higher fines.
Yep, they rarely get a higher fine than $100.00...I think that repeat offenders should get the max...after all, they are using the A/C officers time, chasing after their dogs, time and time again...some of these dog owners are in court every other month -
They probably know most of the folks here cannot afford that fine and let them off the hook,
avoiding further troubles such as chasing them to pay their fine, impounding the dogs, then putting them up for for adoption or killing them, etc.
Quote from: bonster on March 31, 2008, 11:14:51 AM
They probably know most of the folks here cannot afford that fine and let them off the hook,
avoiding further troubles such as chasing them to pay their fine, impounding the dogs, then putting them up for for adoption or killing them, etc.
If the dogs injure somebody, are the owners required to face charges?
Yeah Bon, you're probably correct but I still think there should be some stiffer punishment...like the city should give all dogs running at large, to Wok-n-Roll or Tasty House
Quote from: Felix Greco on March 31, 2008, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: bonster on March 31, 2008, 11:14:51 AM
They probably know most of the folks here cannot afford that fine and let them off the hook,
avoiding further troubles such as chasing them to pay their fine, impounding the dogs, then putting them up for for adoption or killing them, etc.
If the dogs injure somebody, are the owners required to face charges?
Not really. This is Berwyn, remember.
Not only in a local court, wouldn't the county or state have a say in a case like this?
Any attorneys out there care to help answer?
Quote from: Felix Greco on March 31, 2008, 11:26:35 AM
Not only in a local court, wouldn't the county or state have a say in a case like this?
Any attorneys out there care to help answer?
Not sure whether COB really gets involved per se if animal injures someone - as I think it then would be up to the injured party to file a civil suit on their own. The COB can possibly, however, enforce the ordinance that would require the animal be removed from the City, I think.
Quote from: LL--Schmidt on March 31, 2008, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Felix Greco on March 31, 2008, 11:26:35 AM
Not only in a local court, wouldn't the county or state have a say in a case like this?
Any attorneys out there care to help answer?
Not sure whether COB really gets involved per se if animal injures someone - as I think it then would be up to the injured party to file a civil suit on their own. The COB can possibly, however, enforce the ordinance that would require the animal be removed from the City, I think.
yep, yep...that's what I hear too
I can just hear them now, "That ain't my dog, no way!"
I think Erickson has escalating fines in his new ordinance.
I'd be fine with 100, 150, 250, 500, 750. And maybe have a time frame...after a year with no incidents, your slate is wiped clean and you start back at $100.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on March 31, 2008, 12:49:12 PM
I think Erickson has escalating fines in his new ordinance.
I'd be fine with 100, 150, 250, 500, 750. And maybe have a time frame...after a year with no incidents, your slate is wiped clean and you start back at $100.
That'd be a grand idea...wish it'd work...the ordinances NEED to be listed en espanol
In Local Ordinance hearings at the BPD, time and time again I've heard the Hearing Officer say, "The behavior of all breeds of dogs is unpredictable. All dogs are like timebombs; never know when they might just go off and attack another person or animal - regardless of "obedience training." Thus, the $750.00 fine to persons who allow their dog(s) to run "at large" -- no matter the animal be an Old English Mastiff or Great Dane -- or a "tea cup" Chihuahua.
Good to know the Hearing Officer is aware that "all" dogs can be unpredictable. I'm glad there is a stiff fine for letting your dog run "at large". The owners should receive a stiff fine.
Some people can deny that it is their dog, unless the dog is chipped and/or has rabies tags. Unfortunately, there will always be jerks out there that will attempt to get around any City Ordinance.
Bad doggie!
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"2 injured in attack by dog
01:00 AM EDT on Wednesday, April 2, 2008
By Thomas J. Morgan
Journal Staff Writer
SMITHFIELD — A family dog attacked a mother and daughter in their house yesterday, inflicting what officials described as serious facial wounds on the daughter.
Lt. Kenneth A. Brown Jr. of the Smithfield Police Department said that the dog then "held the Fire Department at bay" until it was captured by Robert Salisbury, animal control officer.
The girl, 15, was taken to Hasbro Children's Hospital. Her mother was taken to Rhode Island Hospital. Their medical conditions were not available last night. Brown said there were "indications" that the dog bit off one of the girl's lips. It was not known immediately whether the severed lip was retrieved or could be reattached.
Brown said the attack, which took place shortly after 5 p.m. at 227 Farnum Pike, home of the Johnson family, came two weeks after the family received the dog as a gift from a friend. Brown said that the daughter was lying on the floor with the dog next to her when she pushed the dog away.
The animal rounded on her, Brown said, and the mother tried to pull the animal away. The dog then bit the mother's hand.
Patrol Officer Melissa Nye said the dog was a bull terrier and weighed 50 to 60 pounds."
This is a really bad doggie:
Dog Attacks, Nearly Chews Woman's Foot Off At Central Florida Show
Woman Dragged Around Dog Show, Witnesses Say
POSTED: 3:09 pm EDT March 25, 2007
UPDATED: 9:59 am EDT March 26, 2007
A large dog nearly severed the foot of a 70-year-old woman during a sudden attack at Wickham Park Pavilion in Melbourne, Fla., Sunday as a crowd of people watched in horror, according to Local 6 News partner Florida Today.
Witnesses said an Akita owned by Sally Jaffe of Mims, pounced on the woman and chewed on her left ankle for several seconds, just yards from the area where the competition took place.
Maria Patman, 70, of Geneva screamed as she was knocked to the ground. The adult dog, larger than a German shepherd, dragged the woman at one point during the attack, according to witnesses.
The reason for the attack was not immediately clear, said Capt. Bob Brown, spokesman for Brevard County Animal Services.
"It's an odd occurrence. This breed is not known for the propensity to bite, but it's obviously an animal. That's the bottom line. Everyone has to make sure they are aware of that," Brown said.
Animal control officers cited Jaffe, who was not handling the dog at the time, for a bite causing injury . The dog, which was not entered in the show, was taken into custody by animal control and will be the subject of a dangerous dog hearing in 10 days, Brown said.
"This is an extremely rare event," said Glenda Stephenson, president of the Space Coast Kennel Club of Palm Bay.
"I have never see it happen at a dog show. Maybe a hand bitten but never something to this extent," said Stephenson, who was shaken by the attack.
Melbourne Fire Department paramedics attended to Patman, who was conscious and talked to another woman. Melbourne police, who arrived within minutes, took witness statements and assisted two Brevard County Animal Services agents.
There were 200 entries in the show, in which registered dogs were tested on their obedience and standard against their breed. Competing dogs must be registered with the American Kennel Club.
Bad Kitty Cat Story
I've been delivering mail for seven years and this weekend I was delivering to a residence that has a cat and two dogs. The cat was tied up and of course I wasn't concerned about it, after all it was a cat! When I turned to leave the box the cat crouched hissed and pounced on me. It bit me three times and left serious puncture wounds in my calf. There is a lot of pain there and some infection. We've always gotten talks about dogs and safety but where are the talks about vicious cats??? Wow.
Goes to show, you never can tell.
and this dog's a bad driver:
Woman Hit by Utah Police K-9 'Driver' Gets $300K
Posted: April 2nd, 2008 09:07 AM PDT
The Associated Press
OGDEN, Utah --
A police dog put a pickup truck into gear, injuring a woman on her way to the mailbox in an incident that has ended with a $300,000 settlement.
"She suffered some serious injuries in an accident that was not foreseeable," Ogden city attorney Gary Williams said Monday. "We think it was a fair resolution."
Mary Frances Stone, 43, was walking to her mailbox in July 2006 when she was hit by a 1990 Ford pickup truck assigned to Officer Taylor Finder.
Ranger, a German shepherd, was in the bed of the idling truck but jumped into the front seat through a sliding door and somehow knocked the automatic transmission into gear, police said.
Stone, who had a broken pelvis, had asked for $580,000 but settled with the city's insurer for $300,000.
"I would like to get more. ... If my car had hit a cop, I would be in jail," she said Monday.
Police Chief Jon Greiner was sympathetic.
"It's too bad she suffered injuries as a result of this," he said.
Finder and other officers were responding to a call in Stone's neighborhood when the truck hit her. He wasn't disciplined. He declined to comment on the settlement.
http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=40856
Quote from: Allen on April 02, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
Witnesses said an Akita owned by Sally Jaffe of Mims, pounced on the woman and chewed on her left ankle for several seconds
"It's an odd occurrence..." Brown said.
"
This is an extremely rare event," said Glenda Stephenson, president of the Space Coast Kennel Club of Palm Bay.
Quote from: bonster on April 02, 2008, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: Allen on April 02, 2008, 10:04:06 PM
Witnesses said an Akita owned by Sally Jaffe of Mims, pounced on the woman and chewed on her left ankle for several seconds
"It's an odd occurrence..." Brown said.
"This is an extremely rare event," said Glenda Stephenson, president of the Space Coast Kennel Club of Palm Bay.
He's a damn liar...Akitas are the #1 biting breed of dog
Thank you Rita....our vet, Dr. Meg Ogishi at Carlson Animal Hospital in Oak Park, is one of the gentlest people I know. She is a vet who truly loves animals...she has been bitten a few times by "clients"........a chow and an akita.
Oh, and she has 2 dogs herself....a doberman and (surprise) an adorable "pittie".
Are you suggesting that a breed of dog (Akita) may be more disposed to bite?
-Rob
Not suggesting, Rob, merely pointing out what happened with our vet. I personally do not believe ANY dog is more disposed to bite than another.
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 03, 2008, 12:45:58 AM
He's a damn liar...Akitas are the #1 biting breed of dog
Sez who?
I'm not suggesting that Akita's are the #1 biters...just that they do bite frequently (what I've been told by many vets)...they have a tendency to be very protective of their master and sometimes bite people who they feel pose a potential threat i.e. people with whom they are not familiar -
Also, that does not mean that they are the deadliest biters...that title, I believe would go to Rotts, Pitts and perhaps Sheperds...
PS all the Akitas which I've ever met, have actually been quite nice...moral of this story: don't believe everything you hear...or read
From http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html (http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html)
The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.
In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.
From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
Despite all the studies on dog bites, the American Veterinary Medical Association has found that no single breed is more dangerous than another. Rather, studies show the most popular breeds at any given time tend to top the list because, of course, there are more of those dogs in the general population. It may seem to the general public, who is constantly bombarded with disturbing reports on Pit Bull attacks, that this is the only breed that harms humans with any great regularity. However, the fact remains that Pit Bulls are hot news items. Dogs of all breeds and mixes bite and attack people all the time, but it is mainly the Pit Bull bites that get sensationalized.
If the breed of dog was the primary determining factor in all dog attacks, it would stand to reason that since there are literally hundreds of thousands of pit bulls in the United States alone, there would be countless more statistics on pit bull bites. The truth is, there simply are not. Any dog, regardless of its breed, is only as dangerous as his/her owner allows it to be.
I just love statistics. They make everything so meaningful.
You're right, let's do away with statistics and just rely on faith...
-Rob
Quote from: Crunchie on April 03, 2008, 11:12:12 AM
I just love statistics. They make everything so meaningful.
merely a means of dispelling the stuff people make up on their own
There wouldn't be much difference. Anybody can find a stat to "endorse" their position and the great majority of readers are clueless.
Quote from: Crunchie on April 03, 2008, 11:16:18 AM
There wouldn't be much difference. Anybody can find a stat to "endorse" their position and the great majority of readers are clueless.
"...great majority of readers are clueless".....hmmm
Did anyone note the news story a few days ago regarding a raid on a dog fighting ring??? It seems they (scum bags, gang bangers and low lifes that enjoy dog fights) have discovered a new "breed". The dogs that were rescued are bull dogs.
The bull dogs I have known do not have a vicious bone in their bodies, so apparently ANY dog can be trained (abused) to fight.
Quote from: evangeline on April 03, 2008, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: Crunchie on April 03, 2008, 11:16:18 AM
There wouldn't be much difference. Anybody can find a stat to "endorse" their position and the great majority of readers are clueless.
"...great majority of readers are clueless".....hmmm
I meant a statistically insignificant percentage of readers understand the meaninglessness of the claims.
Quote from: rbain on April 03, 2008, 11:00:34 AM
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
That's got to be it. The injuries they inflict are downright scary due to the way they bite.
Personally, Akitas, Shepherds, and Rotts scare me more due to their size.
(http://www.pbrc.net/images/stick.jpg)
Why Every Responsible Pit Bull Owner Needs a Break Stick
Because pit bull dogs have been bred for their fighting abilities and can cause serious injury to other dogs if a fight is not broken up quickly and efficiently. Keep in mind that most dogs fight differently than pit bull dogs. A pit bull's inherent reaction in the heat of a fight is the one of a Terrier with a prey. The pit bull will work to get a solid grip and then hold and shake. This is quite different than most other types of dogs who do a lot of random biting, growling and barking but will most likely quit when their opponent shows signs of submission. In many cases, a non-pit bull fight will be a lot of noise and snapping jaws, usually resulting in little damage. Since a pit bull will firmly grip and hold its victim, break sticks have been designed to break their grip. This is the safest, easiest and most effective way to stop a pit bull fight. No responsible owner should be without one.
Do not attempt to use a break stick on other breeds of dogs.
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
I read the break stick info. Very interesting. And titillating too! I think if the cops saw someone trying to pull this off, there would be an arrest for bestiality. :D
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Walk over to the dogs, straddle one that has a hold, and then lock your legs around the dog's hips just in front of the hindquarters. Make sure your legs are locked securely around the dog. Your breaking stick will be in one hand, so with your free hand, grab your dog firmly by his collar and pull upward slightly.
LOL
That info sounds good in theory, but busting up a pitbull fight like that doesn't sound as simple as they make it sound. I can just see myself on the ground with the pittie using my leg as a break stick about 10 seconds after I try to "straddle his hips", etc.
Bons, after reading this, I think I would feel safer with a crow bar than a stick.
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While many pit bulls are well-loved pets, it's hard to know which version is coming down the street. To many people, pit bulls are scary: "Frankenstein canines," as one legislator called them, with bulging chest and shoulder muscles, a brick-like snout and looming square head. With an estimated 1,200 pounds of force per square inch (according to the Journal of Trauma in 1989), a pit bull's jaw has 10 times the crushing power of those of other large dogs, including German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans. Pit bulls don't just bite, they clamp. In a few terrifying, frenzied moments, they can "de-glove" the flesh from a human arm, pull limbs off, penetrate clear through the abdomen, snap the body's largest bones.
I would rather rassle alleygators than try something like that
Let's see now - 441 responses about dogs while fewer than 10 on the Berwyn education topic about Cares. I'm beginning to see why educated outsiders look at Berwyn the way they do and I'm NOT proud.
It's simple really, students don't bite. So they're not as interesting.
Mrs. Northsider,
CARES?
That's anathema in Berwyn.
Hell, you have people who are dead set AGAINST CARES.
Quote from: SILK on April 03, 2008, 06:05:27 PM
Mrs. Northsider,
CARES?
That's anathema in Berwyn.
Hell, you have people who are dead set AGAINST CARES.
WHY?
Mrs. Northsider, I can't always comment on the education thread cause I know very little about what is going on. I read it. I let those who know the subject best discuss and just learn from them. Discussion on how to better the schools is a very frustrating subject for me. I read Ted's stats, listen to mustang, hear from Shelley and Java, and many others that have devoted time to post yet progress is at a very slow pace. We talked about kids coming in from out of the District. I wonder how many still are there. No money and administrators that have hefty salaries, benefits, and pensions. It's your basic nightmare of a subject. Don't I have enough with City of Berwyn, Obama, Hillary, McCain, and pitbulls? heh
Since I cannot contribute much because I don't know all the players, and the goings on behind the scenes, all I would end up doing is giving canned statements that can be read anywhere by a click of the mouse. Yes, the dog posts were long and well read. But who knows. Maybe it was through those discussions some good now will come of it.
Here's one for Rita and Mrs. Northsider. It KINDA has to do with dogs. Just a little.
From the Suntimes, on the Man having a Baby on the Oprah Show:
Oprah: How'd he get pregnant if he's the one with the penis?
In describing to Oprah how they got pregnant, Nancy tells the audience how she inseminated Thomas at home herself.
"I went to the vet and I asked for a syringe and the gave us one," she says. "[Then] I got our container of sperm ... "
End
Hon, can you pass me that container of sperm on my work bench over there?
Quote from: apatriot on April 03, 2008, 06:26:53 PM
Mrs. Northsider, I can't always comment on the education thread cause I know very little about what is going on. I read it. I let those who know the subject best discuss and just learn from them. Discussion on how to better the schools is a very frustrating subject for me. I read Ted's stats, listen to mustang, hear from Shelley and Java, and many others that have devoted time to post yet progress is at a very slow pace. We talked about kids coming in from out of the District. I wonder how many still are there. No money and administrators that have hefty salaries, benefits, and pensions. It's your basic nightmare of a subject. Don't I have enough with City of Berwyn, Obama, Hillary, McCain, and pitbulls? heh
Since I cannot contribute much because I don't know all the players, and the goings on behind the scenes, all I would end up doing is giving canned statements that can be read anywhere by a click of the mouse. Yes, the dog posts were long and well read. But who knows. Maybe it was through those discussions some good now will come of it.
I appreciate were you're coming from but this is going ON and ON and ON and taking time away from some other very important issues. Now, all you dog lovers and pitbull lovers in particular can you just pick perhaps another subject (whatever it may be) and chime in on that - PLEASE!! I know dogs cannot be your only issue or passion in life.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on April 03, 2008, 05:42:10 PM
Let's see now - 441 responses about dogs while fewer than 10 on the Berwyn education topic about Cares. I'm beginning to see why educated outsiders look at Berwyn the way they do and I'm NOT proud.
MRS. N-
I think folks feel like measures regarding this hot button topic are ones which still can be acted upon to some degree,
whereas with school issues in this town we feel we're running in mud.
Either you're dealing with non-receptive school boards, politicos who put things like restaurants ahead of education,
and a body of citizens who generally aren't too enthused about doing anything at all.
My 2¢
Quote from: bonster on April 03, 2008, 07:32:41 PM
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on April 03, 2008, 05:42:10 PM
Let's see now - 441 responses about dogs while fewer than 10 on the Berwyn education topic about Cares. I'm beginning to see why educated outsiders look at Berwyn the way they do and I'm NOT proud.
MRS. N-
I think folks feel like measures regarding this hot button topic are ones which still can be acted upon to some degree,
whereas with school issues in this town we feel we're running in mud.
Either you're dealing with non-receptive school boards, politicos who put things like restaurants ahead of education,
and a body of citizens who generally aren't too enthused about doing anything at all.
My 2¢
I beg to disagree. If we can get people who have invested their hard earned dollars in real estate here to argue about dogs I think we can get them involved in other areas of Berwyn. I'm waiting for some pit bull owners to validate me here. Don't be shy!
First, there are many scientific articles regarding the "Pit Bull Myths".
Myths and Stereotypes
Pit bulls are inheritantly dangerous and may attack at any time: [/b] According to the American Temperament Testing Society (ATTS), the pit bull is no more vicious than the golden retriever or the beagle. The ATTS test puts various breeds through a series of tests dealing with unexpected situations and strangers. Dogs that possess any signs of unprovoked fear or aggression automatically fail the test. The pit bull passed with a high 83.9%, compared to the average 77% scored by other breeds.
Like any other dog, a pit bull that is properly raised and socialized in a loving environment will remain friendly and faithful. Unfortunately, as the pit bull still remains one of the most highly abused and exploited breeds in the world, there also remain sad examples of poorly bred and mistreated pit bulls that are the byproduct of irresponsible breeders and dogfighters or "dog men" as they like to call themselves. These unfortunate animals that are improperly raised and unsocialized may show temperaments that are far from those of the authentic and well cared for pit bull.
Pit bulls have lock jaws: One of my all time favorite myths. It seems that the media is obsessed with portraying the pit bull as some sort of superhuman monster with immortal capabilities. However, our good friend, "science," has yet again proven this rumor to be nothing more than a jaw dropping lie. These are dogs, with a bone anatomy just like that of any other dog, except they possess a lot more strength and will power. However, they are not carnivorous dinosaurs.
Dr. Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparison to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs."
A pit bull that attacks other animals will go after people next: Animal aggression and human aggression are two completely different things. Pit bulls were once trained to fight and bring down large animals, hence the possession of animal aggression in some pit bulls in not unnatural, and definitely NOT a reason to euthanize the dog. It deserves to be given a chance to live in a loving home just like any other dog. However, with that being said, while pit bulls were once bred to fight other animals, they were at the same time, bred never to possess any signs of human aggression. This is what enabled a "dog man" to grab his dog by the collar, or even the scruff of the neck, and pull it out of a fight without ever getting bitten. Hence, any pit bull that shows signs of aggression towards people is not at all typical of the breed, and should therefore be evaluated by a professional animal behaviorist and a veterinarian (in case there are medical issues at hand), or be humanely euthanized. These dogs should NEVER be bred, as they possess an unfit temperament.
Adult pit bulls should not be adopted, because their background is unknown: This one really gets under my nails. I believe that every dog deserves a chance. Papers and certificates don't mean much these days, considering the intolerable amount of backyard breeders that use them to blind their customers. Furthermore, when putting up dogs for adoption, responsible shelter and rescues always ensure that the dogs are properly temperament tested, and look at the animal's temperament as a way to judge whether the dog will be able to be adopted out into a new home.
Pit bulls and children do not belong together: Pit bulls are known for their ability to handle a lot of rough and tumble play that children can dish out. They make wonderful companions for kids, and are great family pets when properly trained and socialized. However, children should be taught how to properly interact with dogs and when to respect quiet time. Children and dogs (no matter what breed), should never be left alone without adult supervision.
Pit bulls are great guard dogs: NO! Pit bulls make LOUSY guard dogs. They are inheretenly much too friendly. Any pit bull I know would much rather lick a robber to death than ever attack one. However, being a very loyal breed, the pit bull will protect its owner if it feels that there is a threat. Also, due to its strong will power and eagerness to please its owner, if a pit bull is taught to be aggressive towards people at a very early stage in its life, and if this behavior is reinforced, then the dog will most likely become aggressive towards people as an adult. This is why an emphasis must be placed on responsible ownership, and rather than punishing the breed, we should punish the deed.
We could go on forever doing this. You could post your "scarey stories about pit bulls, and many of us can come back with scarey stories regarding other breeds or debunk the myths.
Mrs. Northsider: Yes, this is going on forever and most of us so called "pittie lovers" have many other interest. I look over this board all the time, sometimes post a question or thought. Mostly I read the topics and think about many of the other issues involving our beautiful city. I work in the field of disabilities and am very concerned about disability rights and the safety of children/teen/adults with disabilities.
Heres an interesting story: Doesn't have anything to do with dogs. This is a heartbreaking story of a disabled woman that was used as target practice. Didn't happen in Berwyn, however it happened in Illinois. A real fear for those of us raising children with disabilities.
updated 3:48 p.m. EDT, Fri March 21, 2008
ALTON, Illinois (AP) -- Banished to the basement, the 29-year-old mother with a childlike mind and another baby on the way had little more than a thin rug and a mattress to call her own on the chilly concrete floor.
Five adults and a 12-year-old child were charged with Dorothy Dixon's murder.
Dorothy Dixon ate what she could forage from the refrigerator upstairs, where housemates used her for target practice with BBs, burned her with a glue gun and doused her with scalding liquid that peeled away her skin.
They torched what few clothes she had, so she walked around naked. They often pummeled her with an aluminum bat or metal handle.
Dixon -- six months pregnant -- died after weeks of abuse. Police have charged two adults, three teenagers and a 12-year-old boy with murder in the case that has repulsed many in this Mississippi River town.
"This is heartbreaking," police Lt. David Hayes said. "It was almost as though they were making fun of the abuse they were administering. This woman was almost like living in a prison."
Investigators put much of the blame on Michelle Riley, 35, who they said befriended Dixon but pocketed monthly Social Security checks she got because of her developmental delays.
Dixon saw little, if any, of the money, Hayes said. For months she weathered the torment to keep a roof over her head and that of her year-old son, who weighed just 15 pounds when taken into state custody after his mom's death.
"I've never seen an almost conspiratorial effort by a group of people to continuously torture someone until she finally died, then not really show any remorse," Hayes said. "It was just a slow, torturous, tragic way to die. I highly doubt Dorothy Dixon even knew she was dying."
Riley, 43-year-old Judy Woods and three teenagers, including Riley's 15-year-old daughter, LeShelle McBride, are charged with first-degree murder, aggravated and heinous battery, intentional homicide of an unborn child, and unlawful restraint. Riley's 12-year-old son is charged as a juvenile.
Riley, her daughter, Woods and 16-year-old Benny Wilson have public defenders who did not immediately return messages for comment. An 18-year-old defendant, Michael Elliott, planned to get his own attorney, court records show.
All remain in jail on $1 million bond.
Messages left with a Chicago-area sister of Dixon went unreturned, but neighbors, Hayes and newspaper accounts offer a mosaic of the months leading to Dixon's demise inside the small, white, blue-shuttered house.
Riley and Dixon, police said, had lived in Quincy, a Mississippi River town about 100 miles north of St. Louis, Mo. Quincy is where Riley worked as a coordinator for a regional center that helps the developmentally disabled with housing and other services. Dixon was a client.
For years, an impoverished Riley struggled raising her children. Her use of methamphetamine and cocaine brought drug convictions in 2002 and 2004. But with treatment and housing help from the Quincy YWCA, Riley put her life in order -- so much that in February of last year, the Quincy Herald-Whig did a story on her comeback.
Last summer, Dixon and Riley moved into the $800-a-month, three-bedroom rental in Alton about 15 miles north of St. Louis. From the start, neighbors Chad Hudson and Terri Brandt considered Riley trouble.
"Michelle was evil, vindictive. Manipulative," said Hudson, convinced the teenagers were Riley's powerless minions.
"She was angry, vicious," added Brandt.
Riley considered Dixon her slave, making her rub Riley's feet until Riley fell asleep and forcing her to run naked around the house when she got in trouble, the neighbors said.
"Being in their house was like being in a prison day room," Hudson said. "They just sat around the kitchen table and fought."
There was little question that Riley ruled the roost.
While doing fix-ups on the home last fall, landlord Steve Atkins saw Riley "barking orders" at the children and everyone else. Atkins joked to her whether he needed to call the Army and see if they wanted their drill sergeant back.
"She didn't laugh about it at all," Atkins said. "Obviously, I hit a nerve."
Atkins said Dixon generally kept to herself "but was always nice when she spoke to you." He saw no hints she'd been suffering or tortured.
"I would have never, ever suspected something like this," he said. "It's definitely shocking."
Police said Dixon was allowed out of the house but didn't say under what conditions. Hayes didn't know who the father of Dixon's fetus is.
Hayes said things apparently came to a head Jan. 30, when investigators believe that Woods, during a dispute, beat Dixon on the head with an object Hayes wouldn't identify. The next day Woods found her dead.
Hayes watched the autopsy and found her injuries disturbing. X-rays revealed roughly 30 BBs lodged in her. Deep-tissue burns covered about one-third of her body -- her face, her chest, her arms and feet -- and left her severely dehydrated. Her face and body showed signs of prolonged abuse. Many of her wounds were infected.
None of the injuries, Hayes said, proved singly fatal to Dixon. Her system already was taxed by her unborn baby.
"The autopsy sort of indicates her immune system just shut down," he said. "It was not capable of fending off any more."
In the rental home's basement, Atkins said, he found spots of blood in a shower and tiny smears on the concrete floor, washer and dryer.
"It's disgraceful the way this girl died, as kind and as sweet as this girl was," he said. "She didn't deserve to die the way she did. It's just terrible, senseless. It's just a total shame
Buzz; Hope this doesn't upset you. However it is not about my child with autism.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on April 03, 2008, 06:46:28 PM
I appreciate were you're coming from but this is going ON and ON and ON and taking time away from some other very important issues. Now, all you dog lovers and pitbull lovers in particular can you just pick perhaps another subject (whatever it may be) and chime in on that - PLEASE!! I know dogs cannot be your only issue or passion in life.
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If you're not interested, ignore the subject. I ignore topics (and several posters) all the time. I'll post wherever I like, thank you. You may ignore me whenever you want. I don't care..........
It's not the Berwyn Pit Bull Forum - do you have any opinions other than those about dogs (mainly pit bulls)? If not, why don't you start a talk forum specifically dedicated to dogs? The problem is that all you post about mainly is DOGS. Again, anything else interest you?
Time out. This is a frickin internet message board. Think about it. Smell your coffee. Return to your normally scheduled life. Thank you.
Quote from: Allen on April 03, 2008, 08:55:12 PMNO! Pit bulls make LOUSY guard dogs. They are inheretenly much too friendly. Any pit bull I know would much rather lick a robber to death than ever attack one.
Well, then you need to meet more Berwyn pit bulls. Read the blotter, you'll see.
I have a few on my block that would scare the shit out of you. (our mailman has a couple of wicked ones...)
I don't think anyone here ever purported Pit Bulls to have "lock jaws." It's just their style of attack...get a solid grip, then hold and shake. Have you ever witnessed a Pit Bull attacking another dog? I have! Responsible books and web sites on Pit Bulls will tell you a break stick is absolutely necessary. I'm disappointed that Dr. Lehr Brisbin hasn't conducted a study regarding Pit Bull strength, yet appears to defend them by citing "lack of evidence." Others appear to have done their research, why doesn't he believe them?
ATTS - I don't buy it. Their methods are suspect at best, and hardly seem scientific, much less realistic.
Bon - I thought that pic of the break stick was a humongous tampon...c'mon people, didn't anyone else besides me, think that too?
I agree w/many of you...I, who began this God damn, fucking thread, cannot believe how blown out of proportion it has become...It all began cuz I simply felt sorry for a dog who was mistreated (regardless of his breed) and I reached out to try and get him adopted, at the behest of a canine-loving coworker...I agree, it is an extremely HOT topic, here in Berwyn cuz there are so many Pitbulls...and many dogs in general, which seem to get out of their confines and thus run at large...sometimes causing injury to people/fellow canines (not to mention just scaring the shit outta many people, along the way). Many other suburbs do not seem to have this same dilemma; what do you all propose as a solution to this? I personally find it a bit frightening that so many people have such total disregard for the law. I understand that they may not realize that it is a violation the first time around (when Fido gets outta the yard), but hell, after the first time, one would think the problem would get better, no? You would not believe the amt of repeat offenders...and some of them get so sick of going to LO court/paying fines for these violations, so they just abandon their pooches at the pound!!! Now that is just reprehensible...do not you think?
I love the humongus tampon concept! LOL!!
Quote from: SILK on April 03, 2008, 06:05:27 PM
Hell, you have people who are dead set AGAINST CARES.
Gee, SIlk, I wonder who you are talking about? ::) <LOL>
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 04, 2008, 01:05:38 AM
Bon - I thought that pic of the break stick was a humongous tampon...c'mon people, didn't anyone else besides me, think that too?
Knowing Bonster, with his "fucking" pottymouth and all, I just ASSUMED that's what it was! ;)
Quote from: tgoddess on April 04, 2008, 06:58:26 AM
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 04, 2008, 01:05:38 AM
Bon - I thought that pic of the break stick was a humongous tampon...c'mon people, didn't anyone else besides me, think that too?
Knowing Bonster, with his "fucking" pottymouth and all, I just ASSUMED that's what it was! ;)
Watch out tg...you
may just surpass Bon on the BTF fuck list
A girl has to have SOMETHING to strive for, you know. ;)
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 04, 2008, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: tgoddess on April 04, 2008, 06:58:26 AM
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 04, 2008, 01:05:38 AM
Bon - I thought that pic of the break stick was a humongous tampon...c'mon people, didn't anyone else besides me, think that too?
Knowing Bonster, with his "fucking" pottymouth and all, I just ASSUMED that's what it was! ;)
Watch out tg...you may just surpass Bon on the BTF fuck list
tg, #7. 'Rita, #3. ;D
(results not scientific)
Bonsterino,
Do you have the official calculation for this "BTF F**k List" or is it merely an estimation?
It's an estimation...you see, so many times Paul F. sez FCK and FKN and FKG, so he'd be unreachable if I really dug in and got exact numbers. ;)
The winner and still champion...
http://www.adrianspeyer.com/pta018.mp3 (http://www.adrianspeyer.com/pta018.mp3)
One of my favorite movie speeches of all time, LL!
Quote from: tgoddess on April 04, 2008, 06:52:44 PM
One of my favorite movie speeches of all time, LL!
Ditto! The build up to that scene was perfection -- as was everything about the scene. I used to travel a lot -- and could well relate and came close to going off in the same way many times -- or, should I say, many f**king times!
Update on Mr. Wiggles... He went to Oak Park ACL to be nurtured Friday am picked him up around 5:00 pm. He is doing well. Had a bad night Friday, think it was bad dreams from before. He cried and whimpered. So spent most of the night with an ice bag and soothing him. Today he is Ok, almost back to his mischief and getting into trouble like any 8 mouth old puppy.
When we picked him up we were told someone had paid his bill. We didn't owe any money. Don't know who did this, but, Thanks we really do appreciate the help. He is worth saving. He is now up on the Midwest site for adoption. By the way, Friday he was 52 lbs. You want to see him go to www.midwestrescueabull.org
He really is a sweet little boy he will make some family a wonderful pet. He will also start official training shortly to keep him socialize and maybe go into agility training which is always fun.
"Believe it or not, the facility that held him didn't even provide him with basic medical care."
Kpope, why not name names? They are not going to cleanup their act if you let them behind a cloak of anonymity. I'm surprised you are protecting them?
Crunchie he was picked up by the Berwyn Animals Control out of a garage and taken to A-American on Roosevelt in Oak Park. No. They did not do anything for him until he was bought for 200.00. At that time he was 26 lbs per their scale, they gave him the basic shots and a Rabies shot along with a somewhat bath.
He was then taken to Berwyn VCA where he had x-rays of his back hips because he was dragging his back legs, a fever and fungus on all four paws. Along with still being skin and bones. This is all posted in previous messages.
He is now happy and health and now ready to adopt. He has all his shots and is neutered and will be adopted out by Midwest Rescue of Illinois. You can see him on their website and anyone interested in his adoption can fill out an application on line. He will make a really great pet for some lucky family.
Did you see the latest local pitbull attack on the news tonight? 4 or 5 of them escaped from some guys house and mauled a lady passerby on the sidewalk. To his credit, the owner took the blame for not checking his door properly. The victim is in an Oak Lawn hospital.
Now, why in the world would someone have 4-5 pitt bulls in his home ?
Such a senseless act of violence. So the owner admits, he should have checked his door, big
fricken deal. The owner admits fault, but what good is that admission now? How sad.
The story came out two different ways. One they got out of the house. Two they got out of the yard. If they have 4 or 5 pit bull dogs. I would wonder what in the hell they are doing with so many. No matter how they got out no one was watching them. The could be used for breeding for dog fighting or some are fighters.
No dog or dogs should be left in a yard unattended. He should not have had that many dogs, no matter what the breed was. They could have been Sheppard, or 5 mix breed dogs. This is a pack of dogs, they need to be watch and the area they are let loose in secured.
Again, it isn't the dogs it's the owners that should be held accountable for their actions.
This woman definetly has the right to file a civil suit against this owner. I hope she will be alright. Yes, once again, another example of an irresponsbile owner.
A very sad story!!!!!
Quote from: Allen on April 12, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
This woman definetly has the right to file a civil suit against this owner. I hope she will be alright. Yes, once again, another example of an irresponsbile owner.
A very sad story!!!!!
No, once again yet another example of why pit bulls should be banned.
Just wonder if Allen an tell us how this woman would have been made whole via a civil suit if she had not survived the attack?
The owners of these dogs are responsible and should be held accountable, but they are
not. Simple solution, ban the breed, and people are less likely to be attacked while walking and
minding thier own business.
There's always been a bad-ass dog breed. When I was a kid, it was Shepherds. Then Dobermans, Rottweilers, now Pitts. Ban Pitts and another bad-ass breed will appear - Tosa, Dog Argentino, Presa Canario - so long as there is a need, there will be a breed to fill it. Eliminate the need - or the people with the need - and your problem goes away.
It's amazing how many of our problems can be traced to socio-economics.
Quote from: Ted on April 13, 2008, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: Allen on April 12, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
This woman definetly has the right to file a civil suit against this owner. I hope she will be alright. Yes, once again, another example of an irresponsbile owner.
A very sad story!!!!!
No, once again yet another example of why pit bulls should be banned.
I wanted to stay away from ping-pong posts yet grow more concerned when innocent victims are attacked by these dogs. I totally agree with Ted, they should be banned. My boys walked over to Janura Park to play baseball last week, do you know what thought scared me? Not a drug dealer, not Stranger Danger, not a drive by shooting, I am fearful that my boys will be attacked by a loose pit bull.
Sillly, no. And for the pit bull fans, what can you tell me to calm my fear? Irresponsible owner is not an acceptable answer.
I have been away for a week or so and this still hasn't been put to rest. It is time we buried the Dead Horse. I see Mr. Wiggles is being taken care of and I am sure he will get a good home to a responsible owner.
Irresponsible owner is not an acceptable answer, yes it is. If it had not been pit pulls they had it would have been Boxers, Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweiler's, you can go on with the breeds. A pack a dogs no matter what breed is not safe to be around with out supervision.
An ounce of sense will tell you this folks were into more than just having dogs. They could be breeders for dog fighting, they could be using them to cover and guard other activities going on in the home.
None of these dogs had vet care. You take it from there. What about the neighbors of these folks? I know for a fact that there are a lot of gang bangers in that area. Know this from the Chicago Gang Crime Unit there.
For the folks here that think taking away the Pit Bulls will solve all you problems. Wake up. Any Animal Abuse leads to spousal abuse, child abuse. Take away their Pit Bull, they will get another dog and that dog will be just as bad as the one they took away.
As I said before Ban the GANG BANGERS. Do something about domestic abuse. Don't stick you heads in the sands and not see what is happening all around you. Report and get involved in what is happening in your neighborhood. Know you neighbors even if you don't like them.
You neighborhood is only as good as you make it.
Well, after years of continuous debate, I am certainly glad you have finally put this to rest. Now I can get some sleep. Good job.
Quote from: Koss on April 13, 2008, 10:25:04 PM
It is time we buried the Dead Horse.
LOL...YOU were one of the asshats who killed the horse and continued to beat it,
328 posts ago!Quote from: Bonster on March 01, 2008, 09:31:43 PM
Truth be told, Koss...I was mum on the issue till You and Allen continued harping on me today.
You'd be well served to heed Cathy's advice above.
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http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4974.msg85756#msg85756
YOU go to troubled blocks, meet the neighbors, and get involved in THEIR affairs instead of just whining about your naturally aggressive breed here.
Bonster...Bonster.....have you not learned ( or just like to aggravate ) ? We "pittie" people know our dogs are not naturally aggressive. And as far as getting involved in other people's affairs, some of us plan to do just that. We are trying to keep our lovely town of Berwyn safe against gang bangers, illegal backyard breeding and the like. Breed banning is against the law in the state of Illinois and those towns that have tried it eventually repeal the ban. Let's keep the gang bangers and drug dealers and other unsavory types out of Berwyn....problem solved!
mom...mom...I should have clarified - by naturally aggressive breed I meant pittie owners.
So which block will you start on, 1500 Highland?
oh darlin'....to know us is to love us. acually not sure which block we'll start on....but thanks for the suggestion. any particular address in mind??
One sec, let me check the police blotter... ;)
Hey Bonster and Pittiemom, haven't you heard that this matter has been put to rest? C'mon, get with the program. I gotta go, they're playing my fave song right now, "A Town Without Pity."
Terri,
I couldn't agree with you more. I fear for my children (and all the people I care about, for that matter) when they are simply out and about in Berwyn. Although a larger percent of the Pitbulls I've dealt with have been nice (as opposed to aggressive) you just never know... and when a "nice" dog is scared, they can become aggressive. I think Pitbulls SHOULD be banned in Berwyn, because their owners are simply "not understanding" the importance of obeying the laws and taking responsibility when their dumbass dogs bite someone...I also think Rottweillers should be banned.
While I'm sure there may be other ways to go about it, and not have to ban a particular breed, sometimes it may just be the easy way out; rather than having to change ordinances etc.
If I had my way, I'd make sure the owners of the larger dogs (capable of potentially doing more harm in an attack) would
be fined to the max when their dog gets out, even on the first offense. Then, if there's a second offense, I'd have the dog taken away from the owner. If the dog bites when he's loose (first/only offense), I'd take the dog and put it down...no ifs ands or buts...and the owner should be forced to watch, as fido is laid to rest...that way they can perhaps feel some guilt (I guess this explains why I don't write the laws). I'd also make sure that they should never be allowed to own another dog.
Oh, and I'd send the written laws (in English and Espanol) to each household, several times a year, so that there can be no dispute as to whether or not the people of this town were properly advised of such...
I'd also like to see some of these people slapped with lawsuits if the dog bites. And the landlord too. Let the landlord figure out that his homeowners policy will drop him due to having a particular breed of dog living on the property. No homeowners means no mortgage.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on April 14, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
I'd also like to see some of these people slapped with lawsuits if the dog bites. And the landlord too. Let the landlord figure out that his homeowners policy will drop him due to having a particular breed of dog living on the property. No homeowners means no mortgage.
AGREED
A bubby of mine just got a 15% reduction in homeowners because he has a dog.
Quote from: Bear on April 14, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
A bubby of mine just got a 15% reduction in homeowners because he has a dog.
Your grandma?
Quote from: Bear on April 14, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
A bubby of mine just got a 15% reduction in homeowners because he has a dog.
A pitbull?
You realize there are many insurance companies that will raise rates to homes with particular breeds?
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insurance/bad-dog-list1.asp (http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insurance/bad-dog-list1.asp)
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on April 14, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
I'd also like to see some of these people slapped with lawsuits if the dog bites.
Last night a person was bitten by someone's dog on 1600 (Clarence?) as the dog's owner was walking it on a leash.
The owner and the dog turned and disappeared into their house, leaving the person bleeding from their leg on the sidewalk.
Also, another person (1500 block of something) looked into their backyard, and found two dirty Terriers had been "unloaded" into their yard!
Sorry Buddy Rita. It was a Whimmer whatever that hound name is...name escapes me.
Quote from: Bear on April 14, 2008, 02:30:06 PM
Sorry Buddy Rita. It was a Whimmer whatever that hound name is...name escapes me.
Weimaraner?
Thats it
People don't want to rent to us???
I would rent to you. I have an apartment rented right now. BUt, there are folks out there that will rent. You have to just keep looking. Another way is only 1 dog. Doesn't have to see the other one right away. You could have gotten him later. OR, you are only fostering the other dog, he belongs to a freind.
Then when the landlord see how well you take care of them, clean up after them etc., you won't have any problems..
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on April 14, 2008, 02:31:33 PM
Quote from: Bear on April 14, 2008, 02:30:06 PM
Sorry Buddy Rita. It was a Whimmer whatever that hound name is...name escapes me.
Weimaraner?
Speaking of Weimaraners, I saw the most humongous one today, that I've ever seen in my life, he looked like fuckin Clifford the big red dog - only he wasn't red
My favorite show. I love Clifford, the big red dog. I can't get it out of my head, like that damn AT&T windowwasher commercial. HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Love the window washer. I have to watch it everytime. The guy who thought of it has a sense of humor.
I have heard recently a rumour that it will be illegal to own Pitbulls in Berwyn. Does anyone know anything more of this?
Never happen... To many good responsible owners in Berwyn.
Makes perfect sense. ::)
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on May 04, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
I have heard recently a rumour that it will be illegal to own Pitbulls in Berwyn. Does anyone know anything more of this?
Yep, I heard it too
Breed specific legislation is illegal in the State of Illinois I believe.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on May 04, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
I have heard recently a rumour that it will be illegal to own Pitbulls in Berwyn. Does anyone know anything more of this?
Would much prefer it be illegal to house gang members in Berwyn...
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on May 05, 2008, 12:20:56 PM
Breed specific legislation is illegal in the State of Illinois I believe.
What Berwyn really needs is broad specific legislation. There's too many ugly ones here.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on May 04, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
I have heard recently a rumour that it will be illegal to own Pitbulls in Berwyn.
From your lips to gods' ears!!!
From the Police Blotter:
http://www.berwynpoliceblotter.com/index.php/P0/
Pitbull kills small leashed dog
May 2, 2008, 3:13 PM
An officer responding to a call about dogs at large came to 16th and Wenonah and saw another officer pickup up a small, injured dog. A 29-year-old woman told police she was standing at 16th and Wenonah with her infant in a stroller and her dog on a leash, waiting for her older child to get out of school, when two or three large dogs ran up and attacked her little dog. Two bystanders helped pull the attacking dogs off her pet, but it was too late. The little dog died of its injuries, which included puncture wounds to its heart and lungs. Many children were present in the area, as school had just let out. Jason M. Oliveros, 22, of 7032 16th, told police he was the owner of the large dogs, which were pitbulls. He said he did not know how they got out of the back yard. Police seized the dogs and issued tickets to Olveros.
Posted by Editor on 05/06 at 03:29 PM
And this is why I no longer can take my dog for a walk around the neighborhood. This is the SECOND attack in Funkytown like this in the past month or so.
I hope this guy is fined BIG TIME and that he's not allowed get those dogs back.
ASSHAT.
Wow! What a terrifying and vicious attack, and why? The sooner a ban , the better for all!!
What's the protocol again? The police seized the dogs, where are they being held, how long?
How much was the fine?
As much as I love, love, love dogs...I think that any dog that injures or kills anything or anyone, should be put down and the owner should be held wholly responsible.
Yes to home owners, car owners, business owners.
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on May 05, 2008, 12:20:56 PM
Breed specific legislation is illegal in the State of Illinois I believe.
BINGO -
despite rumors, it aint happenin'...best we can hope for is a ban on the idiot owners
'Rita/aka the Nun I agree with you ban the idiot owners. More folks have to watch for these fools and turn them in, you know they are careless and there dogs will get loose. No dog should be left unattend in any yard, they can get out and kids let them out just because they think it is funny.
They like to put dresses and other articles of clothing on them too. Then they can say "My Grandma, what a big head you have. My Grandma, what big eyes you have. My Grandma, what big teeth you have." Aiieeeeee........
Quote from: Crunchie on May 08, 2008, 02:15:01 AM
They like to put dresses and other articles of clothing on them too. Then they can say "My Grandma, what a big head you have. My Grandma, what big eyes you have. My Grandma, what big teeth you have." Aiieeeeee........
No silly - that's only on the Hyenas and Coyotes
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on May 08, 2008, 09:47:49 AM
Quote from: Crunchie on May 08, 2008, 02:15:01 AM
They like to put dresses and other articles of clothing on them too. Then they can say "My Grandma, what a big head you have. My Grandma, what big eyes you have. My Grandma, what big teeth you have." Aiieeeeee........
No silly - that's only on the Hyenas and Coyotes
And Jack Benny and Terry Jones. :)
Well, well, well - what a nice way to tie up this (frequently) messy, hostile thread: Rumor has it that Mr Wiggles (now all toned and buff) has found a permanent home, in a rather tony area of Chicago. No matter ones' feelings re: banning of Pitbulls or not, you gotta admit; it's nice to see Mr Wiggles is doing well...having once been emaciated and mistreated and stored in a disgusting garage, then having the good fortune of finding people with good hearts, who turned his entire life around -
Quote from: 'Rita/aka the Nun on May 16, 2008, 10:19:21 AM
Well, well, well - what a nice way to tie up this (frequently) messy, hostile thread: Rumor has it that Mr Wiggles (now all toned and buff) has found a permanent home, in a rather tony area of Chicago. No matter ones' feelings re: banning of Pitbulls or not, you gotta admit; it's nice to see Mr Wiggles is doing well...having once been emaciated and mistreated and stored in a disgusting garage, then having the good fortune of finding people with good hearts, who turned his entire life around -
Actually, "Mr. Wiggles" has changed the lives of several people - for the better. That's a fact. I'm one of 'em.
How's that?
Wow!!! Good news travels fast. We were going to wait to post that Mr. Wiggles has been placed in his "forever home." Monday, we will take him to his new home. He has been adopted by a wonderful family. He is going to live in a very "posh" area of Chicago. He will have a door man, the lake front, doggy parks etc. Mr. Wiggles did indeed touch the lives of many. Because of this amazing dog, I have met so many fabulous people in Berwyn, LL Schmidt to name just one.
From the filthy, sick, emaciated dog to the strong, beautiful, healthy, buff dog, and now adopted into a wonderful family to live out his life, loved and cared for.
It doesn't get better than that.
Rita; again, thank you for bringing Mr. Wiggles to our attention. He was worth it!!!!!
Monday, we will post some new pics of Mr. Wiggles!!!
No dog parks for Mr. Wiggles.
It is great to read about a happy ending. This is one lucky dog. Sounds like he is going to live in a dog friendly part of Chicago.
I'll be watching for the pictures on Monday. That is a terrific ending to this thread.
Bonster what are you talking about. NO DOG PARKS. That is exactly where he will be. The River Walk, Oak Street Dog Beach, Plus several other really nice parks. Plus his own window to the lake.
His new owners are young professional people, both of them
Where do you think the people who own dogs what live downtown take them? I will have to say there are a lot of dogs living in the downtown area. Some of the buildings have private dog runs.
Will post more about this now happy tail on Monday along with some new pictures of his new posh life.
Quote from: Kpope on May 16, 2008, 06:13:17 PM
Bonster what are you talking about. NO DOG PARKS.
exactly!
I'm glad to see that Wiggles has a happy ending to his/her saga, at least so far. How many dogs in similar situations actually end up in decent homes, versus being killed?
This is wonderful end to the saga of Mr. Wiggles. He is going to live with two wonderful, young people. One is a doctor the other a lawyer. He will have a wonderful life with this family. The plan is to have him attend Good Citizenship Classes and then Service Dog training.
Bonster, I know why you think he won't be able to go to Dog Parks, many times bully breeds don't do well in that situation. Wiggles was fostered with a pack of dogs. He is very used to being around many dogs and in community situations. With the additional training he is going to take, he will be successful at the Dog Park and Dog Beach. The new owners will have to be watchful, as we all know, other dogs are not as well trained.
Crunchie your right. Too many dogs have to be put to sleep. Way too many "throw aways" out there. That's why we all need to watch Chicago and see if their "spay and neuter" ordinance passes. That would cut down on the number of rescues and aggressive dogs. Also, Mr. Wiggle's placement will be monitored by Midwest Rescue. None of their dogs are placed and then forgotten. This rescue always stays in contact with their families not only to watch the dog, but to help the family with any problems that may arise. Sometimes, they help with simple problems like purchasing dog food or as big as behavior issues. They are a terrrific rescue.
I too am very thankful to Mr. Wiggles. I met some very determined and wonderful people that live here in Berwyn. We are all hoping that Mr. Wiggles new family will consistently keep us up to date on his progress.
Ever see a dog park when a pit bull arrives? ...people freeze up and clear out.
Maybe since Forest Park started requiring and enforcing registration it's gotten better there,
but it used to be when a thug walked in there half the folks made a bee line to the exit.
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on May 16, 2008, 07:32:06 PM
That's why we all need to watch Chicago and see if their "spay and neuter" ordinance passes. That would cut down on the number of rescues and aggressive dogs.
No worries...there will always be puppy mills...
Bonster you need to get this out of you head that just because it's a pit pull or bully breed dog is isn't a good dog. In fact there are more good normal pits than bad ones. You only hear about the bad ones. Have met and know a lady who has 5 pits of her own and just took in 2 more to foster. None of them are aggressive or mean dogs.
Stupid people have stupid dogs. You have to be smarter than the dog to teach it anything. I sure hope this is going to be one of Daley push threw ordnances and they do start having people responsible for breeding any dog or cat. It would sure put some of us Rescue Groups out of Business. Which would be ok with me.
Again I am going to ask you to answer the question. Where do you think the people who own dogs downtown Chicago take there dogs, if not to dog parks? Chicago is Dog Friendly.
I have been to Forest Park with my pits. No one ran, no one was afraid, in fact they came up to me and asked to pet the dogs. No on stayed out of the Park because I was there. My only problem was that other dogs were not as well behaved as mine.
No dog should or is allowed in a dog park unless it is altered.
On a Happy note, I wonder if these folks would adopt me.
Quote from: Kpope on May 16, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
My only problem was that other dogs were not as well behaved as mine.
And that, pal, is your biggest problem...
http://www.realpitbull.com/parks.html
A Day At The ParkHe is just like other dogs I would always say; He loves to go to the dog park to play every day
Everyone loves him there, so it's ok; My dog won't fight--he wasn't raised that way
But then one day, right before dark, A troubled young man came into the park
He had by his side the biggest dog I'd ever seen, And unfortunately for us, both were quite mean
We asked very nicely if they would just go; The dog answered with a snarl and the man with a harsh "NO!"
Well his dog was a terror, threatening to all; Then he started a fight with a Lab over a ball
They fought pretty hard and the man would not intervene; Then here comes my dog and pushes right in between
He grabbed that big dog and thrashed him around; And with one quick jerk threw him down on the ground
The Lab was able to escape; I heard everyone cheer; But my dog was now in a frenzy and would not let me near
When he finally let go, what I saw stopped my heart; That big mean dog had been torn apart
The authorities were called, the big dog was now dead; But they didn't take the big dog; they took my dog instead
We all tried to explain that my dog saved the day; But because of his breed he was taken away
You see my dog was a Pitbull and they don't get any breaks; One small incident is all that it takes
A dog had died; And though he hadn't started the fight, My dog was held responsible for what happened that night
He was deemed a danger to all and sentenced to death; And I hold him now as he takes his last breath
It's my fault that my dog is being killed today; Please listen for a moment to what I am going to say
Everyone warned me about his potential to fight; I said it won't happen, I am raising him right
And now my dog is paying the ultimate price; Because I was stubborn and wouldn't take the advice
He only did what he was bred to do; Learn from our story; don't let it happen to you.
Sue Gauthier
It does not happen if you have you dog under control. If you see others that don't, keep your dog away from them. If you are paying attention you can see the fights starting before they do. Yes, I have had my pitties bitten by another dog and yes a bad fight could have started. But, it didn't. You have to have control over you own dog and always watch for problems from the other dogs around you.
Usually take them to the Park to let off steam. They need to run. That is their nature. When I go there are not too many dogs in the Park the worse dog I have taken to the dog Park is my mini poodle. He is a really bad ass dog. He will bite another dog if they get to close to him. He bites the Pitties. He likes to play with them then gets mad at them because they bite him to hard and he has drawn blood on another dog.
Other than this he is a little sweetheart. He will roll over for you to scratch his belly and cuddle with you.
This is the attitude that gets little dogs killed.
If you feel this way about Dog Parks, Don't take you dog there, take them to the Forest Perverse, we have lots of them. I take them out there too.
Quote from: Kpope on May 17, 2008, 01:57:06 AM
It does not happen if you have you dog under control.
Wrong. Most dogs can "play" together without mauling each other.
Quote from: Kpope on May 17, 2008, 01:57:06 AMIf you feel this way about Dog Parks, Don't take you dog there, take them to the Forest Perverse, we have lots of them.
That is the advice given
to pit bull owners by responsible pit bull owners. You are a rebel. Take a clue from your own.
Read up:
A Common Sense Approach to Dog Parks and Pit bulls
http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm
Pit Bulls & Dog Parks, from Pit Bull Rescue Central
http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
You keep putting these links in over and over again. We have all read them. Give them up unless you have something new. A whole lot of people write about pit bulls and have never owned one or hardly been around them. They are narrow and closed minded just as a lot of people on this board.
Again I am going to ask you to answer the question. Where do you think the people who own dogs downtown Chicago take there dogs, if not to dog parks?
I'm sorry, but did you just say he should give up trying to change your mind because he's closed minded? That the "narrow and closed minded" people of this list should stop providing evidence to you because it wont change your (by implication open) mind?
nice.
-Rob
Quote from: Kpope on May 17, 2008, 06:48:53 AM
You keep putting these links in over and over again. We have all read them. Give them up unless you have something new. A whole lot of people write about pit bulls and have never owned one or hardly been around them. They are narrow and closed minded just as a lot of people on this board.
Those are reputatuble, responsible ORGANIZATIONS actually helping promote the breed. And no, I haven't posted those links about the dog parks before.
You are an irresponsible owner, and are assisting in defaming their already tarnished reputation. Shame on you! :D
<~60% sarcasm there, Kpope>Furthermore, I think that badrap.org -
Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pitbulls - would be fairly open minded. Just a hunch.
Quote from: Kpope on May 17, 2008, 06:48:53 AM
Again I am going to ask you to answer the question. Where do you think the people who own dogs downtown Chicago take there dogs, if not to dog parks?
For a walk. Downtown is simply not a good place to have a large or active breed lest you have the time/ resources to give them what they need.
Personally, I wouldn't own a dog without having a yard large enough to exercise it (hence why I don't have a Shepherd (yet ;) )).
hooray for Mr. Wiggles!!! having met and fallen in love with this great little guy, I couldn't be happier. but I also sincerely hope his new family DOES NOT take him to romp and play in dog parks. ALL responsible pit bull rescues DO NOT recommend dog parks for our babies. no matter how well behaved....unfortunately if a situation occurs, the "pittie" is always to blame.
Pittiemom, that is why it is so important that the folks who adopt that live in the downtown area get the CGC training for their dogs. Doesn't matter what breed it is. The couple who are adopting Wiggles are going to get this for him. They know that other dogs are not as well behaved as he is and he could get hurt, as well as hurting a dog that attacked him.
When you adopt a dog in downtown Chicago especially, this training is a must for any dog that I have and will let go to the downtown area.
In fact since She is a Doctor they are going to train him for therapy work at Northwestern Hospital.
Kpope and I took Mr. Wiggles to his new home. What a dream life he is now going to have. His new family loves him.
He is now living downtown in a wonderful condo on the lake. I am so happy for Mr. Wiggles. Sorry it took so long to post these pictures.
I am so happy, too. Happy he's not in Berwyn!
He looks mean.
The dog or the owner?
Bonster: What a surprise!!! I am totally stunned by your remark. (not) Actually I wouldn't expect any less from you, and a few of your fellow BTF cronies.
I am thrilled that I was able to be a part of this rescue. I met many wonderful, caring individuals here in Berwyn, because of a dog that was treated like he was a piece of garbage. It is heartwarming to know that there are some good people, working very hard, (not spending 24/7 on a forum) to make a difference in the lives of many people and yes, animals, right here in "Berwyn".
The most danger you were in from Mr. Wiggles, was being loved tooooo much!!!!! Did you think he looked mean when he was starved???? More than likely you thought he should be starved and put down. (because he was in Berwyn) You must have been very disappointed that he was rescued and living in "Berwyn". He is now a beautiful and well trained, loving dog. He is in a loving home, and will thrive under their care.
Don't worry though, Kpope is in the progress of rescueing another very sweet little pittie that is in need of a home. Yep, right here in Berwyn.
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on May 21, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
More than likely you thought he should be starved and put down. (because he was in Berwyn)
More than likely you would be wrong. (Again)
Quote from: Cathy Bedard on May 21, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
Don't worry though, Kpope is in the progress of rescueing another very sweet little pittie that is in need of a home.
Now
that, is truly scary. (in any city)
Bonster, more than likely Cathy was right (Again) with all the comments you leave on this board, you prove her right.
Bonster don't be so Happy, One leaves and looks like I will get 2 of them this time, Actually I have a choice of 4 of them we are looking for fosters for right now. I of course will take the 2 that are the most needy that need extra care and training.
Give you a run down on where they are coming from. 2 sweet little Kids are come from a place where they were found with some others that they didn't get to in time. In really bad shape like Wiggles was.
The other 2 are coming from a Pit Bull Breeder and Trainer that were seized because he was training them to fight.
Since, I am a Legal Registered Foster Home in the State of Illinois with the Department of Agriculture; I can take 2 this time.
So, how happy are you now Bonster? Does that truly scare you Bonster?
If so than that makes me Happy. Ignorant people as the saying goes are only afraid of what they can't or don't understand. Since I have met you I truly understand why you are so afraid of big dogs.
You will see me walking the 2 of them on a double lease around the streets of Berwyn. 2 Pitties are always better than one.
Here a new picture of Mr Wiggles Bonding with his new Dr. Owner.
Quote from: Kpope on May 22, 2008, 02:40:34 AM
Bonster, more than likely Cathy was right (Again) with all the comments you leave on this board, you prove her right.
More than likely you are clueless. (again)
Y'all wouldn't know sarcasm if it bit ya's in the ass (like a pit bull).
Quote from: Kpope on May 22, 2008, 02:40:34 AM
So, how happy are you now Bonster?
I always post with a smile.
Quote from: Kpope on May 22, 2008, 02:40:34 AM
Does that truly scare you Bonster? Since I have met you I truly understand why you are so afraid of big dogs.
LOL!
1) Not afraid of big dogs - my favorite breed is a German Shepherd. But you, the clueless, wouldn't understand that.
Since you lack reading comprehension I'll explain it to you - what I said was truly scary was YOU are a fostering these dogs and telling people to take them to dog parks. Real Pit Bull enthusiasts scoff at your ignorance.
2) Where did you meet me?
"Y'all wouldn't know sarcasm if it bit ya's in the ass"
Bear: LMAO!!!!!
How could anyone think that dog looks mean????? He looks happy and contented. His new owners are thrilled to have him. He would make a great addition to any family. I met Wiggles and there couldn't be a sweeter dog.
Because Bonster is just an a$$hole who loves to stir the pot and push peoples buttons like he does to everyone here ALL the time!! Obviously he has nothing better to do than sit behind a computer 24/7 and find posts to comment sarcastically about. He's entitled to his own opinion, and that's what it is...an opinion!!
Get a life will ya already!
awww...another pitbull thug resorting to personal attacks. How cute! :-*
You are one feisty little girl, aren't you?!
http://www.berwyntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=4921.msg83742#msg83742
From Bonster:
I am so happy, too. Happy he's not in Berwyn!
He looks mean.
Sarcasm?????!!!!!! Just sounds ignorant to me.(again) Mean???? Could you point out which picture??? All I see is a happy and very loved dog. People are hugging him and the door man looks very proud of this dog.
It's a shame that we couldn't have ended this thread on a happy note. A very abused dog is now in a loving and caring home where he is going to thrive and live a long happy life. However, as Powers2be points out; Bonster must be bored again. He has to start up with more of his stupid crap. (nothing unusual there). The only surprise is that Crunchie and Silk haven't joined in. Usually they are right there with Bonster; backing up the ignorance and helping "stir the pot".
Quote from: ghost on May 22, 2008, 01:41:43 PM
A very abused dog is now in a loving and caring home where he is going to thrive and live a long happy life.
Again- thankfully NOT in Berwyn. I'm quite positive Mr. Wiggles AGREES WITH ME on that one.
Quote from: ghost on May 22, 2008, 01:41:43 PMHowever, as Powers2be points out; Bonster must be bored again.
However, I will point out to the reading impaired, that was Yesterday at 09:49:36 PM. D'oh!
I just gotta jump in here folks......Bonster, Crunchie, and the rest of their posse just LOVE to ring people's bells! ok, so us "pitttie people" are a TAD senstive when it comes to our babies, but after looking over some of the old posts, I really don't think those guys are all that hateful.....or that they even hate "pitties" I still wanna know when I met Bonster at the mutt show?????? I have it narrowed down to 2 people...help me out here!?!
and as far as the dog parks go, sorry, I personally don't think they're that great for ANY dog.....most of the folk that go there, and I don't mean ALL owners, but most treat the dog park like a day care center where they just let the kids go and hope someone will watch over them. I've heard WAY too many stories from friends with labs, pointers, goldens even spaniels who have reported time and again a dog that's aggressive (not a "pit") and the owners are apparently blissfully unaware.
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 22, 2008, 02:40:46 PM
but after looking over some of the old posts, I really don't think those guys are all that hateful.....or that they even hate "pitties"
pittiemom58, thanks for even considering that much, as you have before.
I'm still trying to find out what's so wrong about my statement above - I firmly believe that the greater percentage of pit bull owners in this city are not good for the breed, nor the rest of us in that regard.
Considering what we have here in Berwyn (and this may also be dependent upon where you settle in town) and what he's been through, I think it's best for Wiggles to be FAR, FAR away from here.
Mr. Wiggles has a good home and that is the ONLY important thing....be it in Berwyn, Riverside, Hinsdale, Oak Park...wherever......granted, there are some 'hoods in our little town that are not exactly healthy for the "pittie" but believe me, no one I know will EVER let our dogs go to a bad home, no matter where!
and hey, Bonster, give me a hint......what did we chat about when I met you at the show?????? did you have the cutest little bulldog pup???????
I thought you were the blonde by the K9 vests in the teri-cloth shorts?
I didn't know you were pittiemom at the time.
no...no...no...not the blonde! why would I work at the K9 booth? helloooo...pit bull rescue. c'mon which charmin' man that I spoke to was yourself????? (and how did you know who I was.....it was the "pet my pitties" t-shirt, right???)
u said you were next to the K-9 vest folks, so I figured who I talked to was you...
WHAT did we talk about???? you know this is too annoying....c'mon help me out here...did you have dogs with you?? did you have family with you???? are your dogs your familia???? the big beautiful shepherds, right????
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 22, 2008, 04:00:24 PM
WHAT did we talk about????
apparently we didn't - you said you're not blonde.
the conversation went something like this,
"oohhh...she's so precious...she looks so hungry...would you like a treat? ...can she have one? ...they're all natural...ooooh, greedy one aren't we? ...for such a little doggy you have quite the appetite!"
Thank you Pittiemom for saying it so nicely:
Mr. Wiggles has a good home and that is the ONLY important thing....be it in Berwyn, Riverside, Hinsdale, Oak Park...wherever......granted, there are some 'hoods in our little town that are not exactly healthy for the "pittie" but believe me, no one I know will EVER let our dogs go to a bad home, no matter where!
We both know each other and we both know that was our only mission. We wanted Mr. Wiggles to be healthy and in a good loving forever home!!!!! Mission Accomplished!!!!
Bonster, still don't understand why you say "he looks mean."
Again, Thanks Pittiemom!!!!
Quote from: Bonster on May 22, 2008, 04:15:05 PM
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 22, 2008, 04:00:24 PM
WHAT did we talk about????
apparently we didn't - you said you're not blonde.
the conversation went something like this, "oohhh...she's so precious...she looks so hungry...would you like a treat? ...can she have one? ...they're all natural...ooooh, greedy one aren't we? ...for such a little doggy you have quite the appetite!"
What was all naturul -- the treats?
....."it was the "pet my pitties" t-shirt, right???"
Hmmm...This could become an interesting thread...No, on
second thought, maybe a movie.
I am glad Mr. Wiggles has found a good loving home but please don't gang up on me when I agree with Bonster. I looked at the picture of Mr. Wiggles with the doorman and my first thought was he is one mean looking dog. You can call me ignorant or whatever else but that was my first impression. Sorry.
trust me, if any of you had met Mr. Wiggles in person, you wouldn't think he looks "mean". he has a permanent smile on his cute face and his entire back portion is in motion when he meets someone...hence the name "Mr. Wiggles"
actually the entire saying on the t-shirt is "Wanna pet my pitties" hey, ya gotta have some fun with the whole pit bull thing....
and it's amazing how many t-shirts we have sold....
ghost, you are more than welcome...we all know how I feel about any dog looking for a forever home, but the "pitties" have a special place in my lil' ol' heart!
oh...Bear, exactly WHAT genre of movie are we talkin' about?????
Why is this thread still going?
You have that right, pittiemom. Have you ever seen a happier dog. The tail was wagging the dog. Even when I picked him up from AAmerican he was wiggling with joy.
Here is a new pic that Cathy sent me. He is smiling at his new dad. Look how proud his new mom is.
So thrilled that this story has a very happy ending.
Frank: Maybe because people keep coming here to post..................
I'm sure it will end soon.
Quote from: frank white on May 22, 2008, 05:08:24 PM
Why is this thread still going?
They're trying to set a BTF record for most Views and most Replies - 5100 views and 573 posts and still counting.... ;) :D ;)
I do think the 5100 views is a BTF record. I don't think any thread has ever gone over 5,000.
Ted
Quote from: Ted on May 22, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
Quote from: frank white on May 22, 2008, 05:08:24 PM
Why is this thread still going?
They're trying to set a BTF record for most Views and most Replies - 5100 views and 573 posts and still counting.... ;) :D ;)
I do think the 5100 views is a BTF record. I don't think any thread has ever gone over 5,000.
Ted
Nah, it's just that Pitbulls are a touchy subject...especially here in Berwyn - and w/each new, sensational Pitbull story we hear about, happening right in our own backyard, we grow more and more angry/fascinated w/the Pits and their sometimes ahole owners...I'm guessing if this were the Lake Forest Talk Forum, this thread would've been long gone after maybe three posts or so...but until the breed of choice changes in this city, or Berwyn goes back to the way it was 20 yrs ago, this thread aint nevva nevva gon' cease ;)
You are absolutley right Rita, it is changing the breed of choice in Berwyn or
changing the demographics. Neither ,like you indicated seems likley at this time.
Enforcement of the laws is the only way to help keep dangerous situations under
control.
Pits were here 20/30 years ago. But, then you had responsible owners and no gang bangers to give the dogs a bad name. The whole neighborhood raised the kids. If they did something wrong you told the kids about it and then went and told their parents and they caught hell again.
The dogs have not caused the problems in Berwyn. For every bad story about a pit, there are equally bad stories about other dogs. The many good and wonderful things the pits do and good that other dogs do are never heard about.
Fix the problems. Parents are afraid to correct their children because of government intervention and because they are to busy earning a buck to stay alive and keep up with the Jones.
Now you have a whole generation of Children that have not been taught nada they just grew up. The only things they learned was in the schools if they even went half the time and what they picked up on the streets.
Now they are having babies and bringing up another generation of the same.
If Pitbulls were here in Berwyn, 20/30 years ago, they definitely were not here in the numbers they are now, unless I had about a 10 year black-out
Quote from: Kpope on May 25, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
Pits were here 20/30 years ago. But, then you had responsible owners and no gang bangers to give the dogs a bad name.
Their ancestors have been known for their great fighting ability going back to the time of Jesus...quit spreading false rumors around here.
I was here 20/30 years ago and could attest to their fierocity first hand (along with gangbangers and bad owners). This is not a new idea.
Quote from: Kpope on May 25, 2008, 02:07:57 PM
The dogs have not caused the problems in Berwyn. For every bad story about a pit, there are equally bad stories about other dogs.
LOL!
Check the blotter - it's not even close. And that's when counting Pit Bull vs. all other dogs combined.
WoW! This thread is never going to end.
I was reading Kpope's post. I don't think he meant that pit bulls were in "Berwyn" for 20/30 years. I think he meant they have been around for 20/30 years.
Yes, for every horror story about pits there are good stories. This is one thing none of us will agree on. The demographics of Berwyn have changed and therefore you are seeing some "bad" owners of these dogs. It is not the dog it is the owner.
Here are some good stories:
Petey, the faithful dog on the TV show, The Little Rascals, was a Pit Bull. He spent countless hours with children day after day and never hurt anyone. He was one of the most intelligent Hollywood dogs of all time.
There are quite a few celebrities who have Pit Bulls as members of their family including: Rosie Perez, The Crocodile Hunter, Judd Nelson, Usher, Alicia Silverstone, Cassandra Creech, Sinbad, John Stuart, Amy Jo Johnson, Linda Blair, Vin Diesel, and Bernadette Peters.
Pit Bulls are heroes! America's first war dog was a Pit Bull named Stubby. He earned several medals during World War I and was honored at the White House. The Ken-L-Ration dog hero of 1993 was a Pit Bull named Weela. She saved 30 people, 29 dogs, 13 horses and a cat during a flood in Southern California. A Pit Bull named Bogart saved a four-year-old child from drowning in a swimming pool in Florida. Dixie, the Pit Bull, was inducted into the Georgia Animal Hall of Fame after she saved some children from a Cottonmouth snake.
Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate!
It's all a matter of opinion. None of us will agree on this topic. Some feel they are killer dogs, I personally don't worry about my dog with my children. He couldn't be sweeter. We had a BBQ yesterday with a yard full of kids and family and not one problem. I have raised my dog properly and he greeted each and every guest and was wonderfully behaved. On my block and across the alley we have pits, rotts, shepherds, jack russells and mutts. Not one problem!
Berwyn needs a much stricter ordinance. I have read Joel Erickson's Ordinance and I personally believe that it should be enacted. I think his new "Pet Micro-Chipping program is a terrific idea. Cicero has been doing this for quite awhile at Waggin' Tails. In Cicero they have Animail Control Officers and Police at the shelter while the chipping is taking place. They chipped 60 dogs on Saturday and took one into "the shelter". It is a great program.
I've stayed off this thread because several people I respect told me to "buzz off", give the new legislation a chance (Erickson's ? ). Still waiting. I don't care about your "pitties" or your other "babies", or "sweeties", or "lovies", or "sweethearts". Pitt Bulls should be banned. It will not hurt my City. It will make it safer. SNAP OUT OF IT !!!! These dogs are a severe danger.
That's your opinion, and you have every right to it. I have my opinion. I love my dog and he is a part of our family.
Quote from: Allen on May 25, 2008, 07:21:51 PM
WoW Pit Bulls are one of the most stable people-friendly dogs in existence. The National Canine Temperament Testing Association tested 122 breeds, and Pit Bulls placed the 4th highest with a 95% passing rate![/color]
Pittbullsht! The organization is bogus.... When they rip your throat out, I'll apply the tourniquette.
Temper, Temper: If it happens to you, there is a possibility no one will be around, or possibly not want to apply the tourniquette for you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Allen on May 25, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
Temper, Temper: If it happens to you, there is a possibility no one will be around, or possibly not want to apply the tourniquette for you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I carry MACE. Been attacked twice, I dog survived, 1 dog died.
Quote from: Allen on May 25, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
Temper, Temper: If it happens to you, there is a possibility no one will be around, or possibly not want to apply the tourniquette for you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
YOU definitely are a pitbull owner. I hope you have been tracked down - Turnabout can be a bitch.
Quote from: Allen on May 25, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
Temper, Temper: If it happens to you, there is a possibility no one will be around, or possibly not want to apply the tourniquette for you. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Has nothing to do with temper, more like exasperation.....WAKE UP. I have worked with shelters and rescue for approx. 30 yrs. I have raised Red Fox who lost their mother. I have nursed raptors back to help by feeding them my Guppies and mice (store bought). I have also euthanized dozens and dozens of animals. Nothing makes me sadder than to put down an animal. However, I would put down any animal that poses a threat to any child, darlin', that's a "pretty bullie baby". Bring them to Illinois, I'll kill them.
Buzz: I completely agree with you on this one. If ANY breed of dog attacks a child, adult or another dog it should be put down. I don't care if it is a pittie, poodle or any other dog breed
Mrs. Northsider: The reason for my rude remark is due to this rude remark:
Pittbullsht! The organization is bogus.... When they rip your throat out, I'll apply the tourniquette.
However, Yes, I do own a pit bull that is the sweetest little dog. My dog is very well trained and taken care of. My children, wife, relatives and friends are all very fond of my dog.
Once again, it is the owner, not the breed. You are seeing a problem in Berwyn due to the change in demographics.
Quote from: Allen on May 25, 2008, 08:47:23 PM
Buzz: I completely agree with you on this one. If ANY breed of dog attacks a child, adult or another dog it should be put down. I don't care if it is a pittie, poodle or any other dog breed
Mrs. Northsider: The reason for my rude remark is due to this rude remark:
Pittbullsht! The organization is bogus.... When they rip your throat out, I'll apply the tourniquette.
However, Yes, I do own a pit bull that is the sweetest little dog. My dog is very well trained and taken care of. My children, wife, relatives and friends are all very fond of my dog.
Once again, it is the owner, not the breed. You are seeing a problem in Berwyn due to the change in demographics.
And so we should just let these luvable sweet little sweeties take over BERWYN since their lowlife owners want to - AINT gonna happen. You're advocating that it's OK!
It's definitely NOT okay 4 them 2 take over my wonderful city!!!...I think all the evil owners should be put to sleep...and I shall administer the potion myself :666:
Mrs. Northsider: I am not advocating for Pit Bulls to take over and rest assured they won't. Please read back and you will see that I would like to see much more stiffer fines. Mr. Erickson's Ordinance is a good start.
I do not believe in BSL.
Mr. Erickson's Ordinance is a good start.
You have to start somewhere instead of just talking about it. Help get the Ordinance put into effect.
As far as pit bulls being here with Jesus, I have never seen a picture with Jesus and a Pit Bull. I am sure I would remember that. But, you could be right, the pit bull is a very old breed because they are a mix and not really a breed.
Quote from: Kpope on May 26, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
As far as pit bulls being here with Jesus, I have never seen a picture with Jesus and a Pit Bull. I am sure I would remember that.
I guess the photographers didn't want the dogs in those portrait shots they took?
Quote from: Kpope on May 26, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
But, you could be right, the pit bull is a very old breed because they are a mix and not really a breed.
They are a very old breed because they are not a breed? Yes, I see now. Thanks for clearing that up.
Sorry, Kpope. The Staffordshire Terrier is DEFINITELY a breed. Most purebreds are mix of something or another.
Pitt Bulls were here with Jesus???? Is there any proof???? Then, they were referred to as "Molosser" dogs. The word is Greek. Check your history, then, kill a pitt bull and have a nice day!
LOL.....kill the pitties, kill the rotties, kill the dobes, kill the chows, kill the caine corso....gosh, where will it end??? I refuse to comment on the recent postings because I refuse to get drawn into this "discussion" yet again. We will not have a ban in Illinois that is breed specific. Perhaps some of you could redirect your energies into working toward a weapons ban. Those of us who know and love the "pitties" ain't gonna change and neither are those of you who hate the "pitties".....'nuff said.
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 26, 2008, 05:28:20 PM
Perhaps some of you could redirect your energies into working toward a weapons ban.
If all weapons are banned, then the pitties would be gone too.
Crunchie:
We all see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. This is good! We understand.
Apatriot A Staffordshire Terrier is a breed BUT, a pit bull is not. look it up. We also have American Pit Bull Terriers, etc. they are also breeds. i.e. a PIT BULL is not a Breed.
As pittiemom said 'nuff said. Read and help pass Joel Ericksons ordinance. It is a beginning. You want to start somewhere, start here. Don't know the man but this does make sense and it is a beginning.
Old saying I saw somewhere, "Punish the Deed not the Breed" This goes for all bully breed dogs.
They still are a breed. The statement was they are not a breed. They are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier
http://www.ukcpitbull.com/ukcstandard.htm
Just because AKC doesn't recognize them doesn't mean that they aren't recognized somewhere else in the world. That is true of lots of breeds.
This shows what the differences are:
http://savepitbulls.8m.com/pitbull.html
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 26, 2008, 05:28:20 PM
... We will not have a ban in Illinois that is breed specific.
Illinois already has breed-specific legislation - The state of Illinois bans wolf-dogs (dogs that are half wolf and half some other breed of dog). So, breed-specific legislation already exists in Illinois. The Illinois legislature believes that wolf dogs are a dangerous breed based on heritage and are a breed of dog that should be banned in the state of Illinois.
Please explain why that same logic should not be applied to pit bulls.
Ted
the pit bull is not an intrinsically dangerous breed. and as far as applying "logic" to this discussion.....that ain't never gonna happen in my lifetime. but that's ok because like I've said before, we aren't gonna change our opinions and those of you who feel the "pitties" must be banned are never gonna change you opinions.......thank the good lord the haters out there don't have any REAL power!!!
As opposed to YOU who does indeed have some REAL powern
Silk....Silk....ok, let me explain what I meant......the haters do not have the power to ban the pits.....the haters do not have the power to kill the pits.....and yes, as a matter of fact, I do have power. working with the rescue and the wonderful people affliated with the rescue, we have the power to save the dogs...
Pitt bull advocates - could any of you teach me how to distinguish between good pitts and bad? I mean, I gave the small pitt behind the fence the benefit of the doubt a few years back - somehow it broke through the gate and attacked my 14 year-old Golden. How could I have predicted this response - how do I know when to not cross the street, to not flinch in fear for my children or dog - how do I know that yours' is an adorable little "pittie" vs. the snarling, bad-ass icon of the gang and drug culture? And lastly, why be associated with such a beast - assuming you're a God-fearing, law abiding citizen - what's the attraction in owning a dog that frightens the majority of people? To be counter culture? Why not get a tattoo? Isn't it a trait of humans to be more approachable, friendly - not less?
ibid.
Quote from: Robert Pauly on May 27, 2008, 09:28:19 AM
Pitt bull advocates - could any of you teach me how to distinguish between good pitts and bad?
The good ones are the ones that can't get to you. All the rest are the bad ones. You won't get a real answer toyour question. Like when I pointed out that enforcing leash laws would make an enforced neutering ordinance unnecessary. If they don't want to hear, they just ignore it.
Not to be confusing but I've posted same under the "This will be interesting" post, thought I should post same here.
PIT BULLS. They are a threat to the well being and safety of residents. I see pit bulls in Berwyn increasing in large numbers, owners don't just walk one pit bull, they have two on a chain not a leash. It is also a fact that pit bulls are used to intimidate people by drug dealers and gangs not to mention dog fighting. So my logic tells me we have a marked increase in pit bulls which also may mean an increase of gangs and drug trafficking.
Can anyone of our pitt bull fans tell me 100% that the pitt bulls walking around our neighborhoods in Berwyn are not used by drug dealers, gang members or for dog fighting?
Below is a portion of a study on dog fighting by the Michigan State University College of Law. Please take note of the desensitization of children who witness dog fighting.
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http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusdogfighting.htm
Fighting dogs are clandestine security devices for drug traffickers. Drugs are often stashed in containers to which the dogs are chained in yards or vacant fields. The dogs also provide excellent security inside drug houses and warehouses. Where once the presence of dogs was utilized as an overt warning to potential invaders, it is now increasingly common for criminals to have the dogs debarked (vocal cords severed), to act as silent alarm and attack systems against unsuspecting invaders. The presence of the silent killers poses a significant threat to law enforcement personnel entering these premises. With the increasing popularity hybrid human-aggressive fighting dogs, such as Presa Canarios, the law enforcement community has had to confront the urgency of cracking down on criminals who harbor fighting dogs. These dogs truly are loaded weapons, when placed in the wrong hands.
The systematic desensitization of each new generation in high crime inner cities starts early on; there, most children are routinely exposed to dogfighting and are forced to accept the inherent violence as normal. The routine exposure of the children to unfettered animal abuse and neglect is a major contributing factor in their later manifestation of social deviance. "In many neighborhoods where gangs are strong, you now have 8-, 9-, 10-year-olds conducting their own dogfights. Or being spectators at the fights people are holding," said Sgt. Steve Brownstein of Chicago's Animal Abuse Control Team.[52] Indeed, for gangs, dog-fighting is a valuable tool to initiate young members into a culture of violence: "You want to find the perfect way to desensitize a kid so he'll kill that anonymous gangbanger from three blocks over? Give him a puppy and let him raise it. Then let him kill it. I guarantee that will desensitize that kid."[53] This early exposure to and participation in dog-fighting is of concern to law enforcement, not only as a child endangerment issue, but also because children that become desensitized to violence become criminalized and perpetuate that cycle of violence
Pittiemom....pittiemom.....pittiemom, you have no more power than those you disingeniously characterize as "haters". You have the power to pursue your own ends, and they have the power to lobby for policy change.
Curious tactic you employ there, characterizing everybody who sits on the opposite side of the fence as "haters". So by the same token, can I characterize you as a "child safety hater"?
LOL......LOL.......LOL.......LOL.........until those of you posters are ready for a serious face to face discussion.....I'm done...
over and out
After reading about your shirt all I'm interested in is a face to "pitties" discussion.
Yours truly,
Morning Wood
Quote from: pittiemom58 on May 27, 2008, 10:02:14 AM
LOL......LOL.......LOL.......LOL.........until those of you posters are ready for a serious face to face discussion.....I'm done...
over and out
face to face discussion? What in God's name is that going to change or add to the debate?
Are the facts going to change simply because you're two feet away from the party you're debating? I don't get it.
"Know thy enemy and know thy self and you will win a hundred battles." - Gen. Sun Tzu Wu
It's a lot easier to "know" your enemy/opponent if he is not anonymous.
This is an internet discussion board debate, not the Art of War.
Silk:
It is easier to speak face to face. Pittiemom is trying to be nice. Is it too long a drive for you?????
What's "easier" about it?
Will any of the facts change?
Save your patronizing bs for someone else.
Silk:
Most times when people are "face to face" having a "civilized" discussion, opinions will change. Apparently, you have never attended or have been part of a mediation or a "civilized" discussion.
Didn't realize it was patronizing bs.
No, I've never been part of a "mediation" Allen. LOL!!!!!
What's there to "mediate"? Why do we need to find common ground? Should the fact that I personally like the person opposite me warrant changing my opinion?
Certain folks have a need to speak face to face.
Consider old school Berwyn politicians-
They lack the intestinal fortitude to debate in public (here), and need to talk with their hands and intimidate you with their hot breath.
Others want to drink with you to get you in an unstable frame of mind to further screw with you. Then you leave and think of all sorts of other shit you wanted to ask/say.
For them, face to face discussion is key to getting their point across with no backlash, leaving them feeling like they got the upper hand ("sure told his ass...").
Still yet others like to smother you with their pitties till you give in.
The only rationale I can think for "face to face" meetings is to obscure the issue(s) either by (a) intimidation, or (b) playing nice.
Those non-verbal clues (like facial expression and tone) that humans have used to facilitate communication for millions of years are completely useless.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Those non verbal clues are completely irrelevant when assessing the validity of a point regarding a certain issue. Now if you're talking about the "likability" of a certain poster/person, that's a different story altogether, which really has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
The flip side of "face to face" meetings is that people often pull punches when posting as a result of these "meetings".
Give it a rest already Panther or do you plan on beating this "face to face" topic to death too?
Sheesh!
I assume you're referring to me time, in which case, if I wanted more crap from you, I'd squeeze your head.
OMG!! ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks for a good laugh!!!!
No, I've never been part of a "mediation" Allen. LOL!!!!! Or a polite, civilized discussion either. :D :D :D :D :D
Consider old school Berwyn politicians-
They lack the intestinal fortitude to debate in public (here), and need to talk with their hands and intimidate you with their hot breath.
Now this is beyond hysterical!!!!!!!!! Come her to debate in "public"!!! Yeah right!!!!! Why would ANY politician want to debate here. What??? Do you think the few people who post here are Rhodes Scholars??????? How many citizens are in Berwyn? You think the few of you here, that actually post and under quite a few different names, not even having the guts to post under your real names, actually are going to be worth a debate. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about inflated egos. LOL!!!!!!
Quote from: SILK on May 27, 2008, 04:15:12 PM
Those non verbal clues are completely irrelevant when assessing the validity of a point regarding a certain issue. Now if you're talking about the "likability" of a certain poster/person, that's a different story altogether, which really has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
I hadn't realized that you had been appointed arbiter of what was relevant to everyone else on this board.
Mea culpa.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 04:37:36 PM
Now this is beyond hysterical!!!!!!!!! Come her to debate in "public"!!! Yeah right!!!!! Why would ANY politician want to debate here. What???
It's not just HERE, it's ANYWHERE. Certain politicos are nowhere to be found in print or online, much less email. You have to meet with them to extract any bit of information, which is beyond hysterical!!!!!!!!!. For a city of 58,000 people to have to meet individually with our representatives is ludicrous, and there's no excuse for that in 2008.
Since you haven't noticed, some
have come here. And what you obviously don't know is that they have no problem debating WHAT'S POSTED HERE quite often, and get quite upset by the truths. That's not hysterical, that's just sad, and those are YOUR representatives.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 04:37:36 PMDo you think the few people who post here are Rhodes Scholars???????
They are tax-paying citizens, and that's all that matters. Do you think the few people who represent us are Rhodes Scholars???????.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 04:37:36 PM
You think the few of you here, that actually post and under quite a few different names, not even having the guts to post under your real names, actually are going to be worth a debate.
IF a representative has the courage of their convictions they'll post their ideas anywhere. I don't think Phelan, Weiner, Erickson, nor others felt too bad about posting things they truly believed in here, now did they?
It's not about guts, it's an online forum. Erickson himself posts under a screen name. Everyone knows who I am - no mystery there.
No egos, just valid, often irrefutable points.
Oh, and if you're so gutsy, post under your real name. Who do you think you are, Madonna?
Personally have had no problem visiting with my alderman, Senators or Representative. Anyone is welcome to visit there Representative, State or US. How about town hall meetings? I've gone to quite a few. Whenever I have an issue I pick up the phone and make an appointment or just drop in. I also write a letter and have always received a reply. I don't know who you are e-mailing, however, once again, I always get a reply.
No, I don't think they are Rhodes Scholars, that's just my point.
The majority do not have the guts to post under their real name, they prefer to stay hidden.
My name is Allen Profitt and I live on the south side of Berwyn, I have told you that already. Or have you heard differently????????????????? Hmmmmmmmm.
I seem to have upset you a bit.
tgoddess,
I wasn't referring to what's relevant to you or other posters. I was referring to what's relevant to the discussion.
And yes, I am the elf appointed arbiter of relevancy. so f+&"ing what?
I meant to type SELF.
No, that wasn't a typo, you had it right the first time, elf.
Thanx UNCLE Miltie.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
How about town hall meetings? I've gone to quite a few.
There's only one alderperson that I know of who does that with any regularity.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Whenever I have an issue I pick up the phone and make an appointment or just drop in. I also write a letter and have always received a reply.
The issues are NOT personal, but city-wide.
Do you ever wonder what issues are at City Council and the reasons the aldermen vote how they do? Do you email each one or "drop by" all their residences to find out? If so, that's ridiculous.
Why should our officials speak only one-on-one, when many of us cannot attend CC?
They need to do as Weiner and Erickson: make known their stances and why.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
My name is Allen Profitt and I live on the south side of Berwyn, I have told you that already.
Not talkiing about me. Do as you rail against and make that your screenname.
Quote from: Allen on May 27, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
I seem to have upset you a bit.
I think it's the other way around, though you certainly try (with a high failure rate).
Always post with a :)
Quote from: SILK on May 27, 2008, 05:49:26 PM
And yes, I am the elf appointed arbiter of relevancy.
LOL!
Your point is well taken. I have never had a problem with approaching my alderman, reps or senators. However, I do see your point that they do need to make their stance on many issues more public. I don't see what difference it would make by posting on the BTF. More Town Hall meetings and the press make be more effective.
Quote from: Robert Pauly on May 27, 2008, 09:28:19 AM
Pitt bull advocates - could any of you teach me how to distinguish between good pitts and bad? I mean, I gave the small pitt behind the fence the benefit of the doubt a few years back - somehow it broke through the gate and attacked my 14 year-old Golden. How could I have predicted this response - how do I know when to not cross the street, to not flinch in fear for my children or dog - how do I know that yours' is an adorable little "pittie" vs. the snarling, bad-ass icon of the gang and drug culture? And lastly, why be associated with such a beast - assuming you're a God-fearing, law abiding citizen - what's the attraction in owning a dog that frightens the majority of people? To be counter culture? Why not get a tattoo? Isn't it a trait of humans to be more approachable, friendly - not less?
Makes semse to me!!!
Any animal with teeth, will bite. The pit's attack. They are defective dogs with a form of hyper-activity disorder....it's proven by their behavior.
I hope this thread ends soon. It really is getting old. For every horror story or myth there is an opposite story or fact. Some dislike pit bulls other love them. Gangs, Dog Fighters, Drug Dealers and others of this ilk have abused the "Bully Breed" for their own selfish, horrid reasons. The exteme change in demographics in Berwyn have brought more of these "types" to this fair city. Please read Mr. Erickson's Ordinance and contact your alderman and tell him you want this ordinance passed. It is quite long but it is a start.
Here is another example of "you post your story, I'll post mine:
All dogs can bite and all dogs can have hyper-behavior.
"Excessive crating Can Cause Hyperactivity, Obsessive Barking, Compulsive
Chewing, Whining, Digging, Pacing, Self
Mutilation, Fear Of Thunder, Shyness, Aggression,
Intestinal And Digestive Disorders, And Idiopathic
Epilepsey - A Stress Induced Seizure."
I don't blame you for wanting it to end. You and the pit-pack can't keep up with all the negative posts from the rest of the city.
I'm wanting it to end.
Anything new in the last 500 posts? Not really.
Contact your aldercritter and tell them to do the right thing and support Erickson's ordinance.
It's really too bad that Berwyn can't impose a ban on these monster breed of dogs. Yesterday I saw the animal controller. She had one large dog in the animal truck and she was chasing after two Pitbull; one was running northbound, the other southbound. She then got them, ticketed the owner and as she was giving him the tickets another dog ran loose from a totally different place. If the owner had not been there, this poor girl would have had to deal with four enormous dogs, each one almost as big as she is. Perhaps there should be ordinance in which they take your dog permanently if they get loose for the third time.
Quote from: ScimmiaCattiva on June 05, 2008, 10:26:33 AM
It's really too bad that Berwyn can't impose a ban on these monster breed of dogs. Yesterday I saw the animal controller. She had one large dog in the animal truck and she was chasing after two Pitbull; one was running northbound, the other southbound. She then got them, ticketed the owner and as she was giving him the tickets another dog ran loose from a totally different place. If the owner had not been there, this poor girl would have had to deal with four enormous dogs, each one almost as big as she is. Perhaps there should be ordinance in which they take your dog permanently if they get loose for the third time.
Oh shut up, who asked you your opinion? ;)
I see no reason for anyone from Animal Control to put themselves in danger. They should be allowed to "shoot on sight". And I don't mean tranquilizer darts.
Quote from: buzz on June 06, 2008, 06:55:40 PM
I see no reason for anyone from Animal Control to put themselves in danger. They should be allowed to "shoot on sight". And I don't mean tranquilizer darts.
Ditto - buzz, it's almost as though you heard me thinking...I think (as I've stated before) that any dog running loose, no matter the size, can be very scary. There can be very (otherwise) friendly dogs who become aggressive when they're scared. There can be dogs (like my li'l Vito) who'll just lick you to death, but why should the A/C or Joe Schmoe on the street have to make that call? If people know that when your dog gets loose it'll be shot, I'd venture to say that some people might be a leeeetle more mindful when Fido's in the yard...like checking on him every so often, puttin him on a stretchy leash thingy, etc -
"There can be dogs (like my li'l Vito) who'll just lick you to death,"
Well trained dogs only know love
So whatever happened to the "Pit-Pack"? Do we hear any posts from them on other threads or only on controversial subject matter?
Quote from: 'Rita/aka Berwyn Scumbag Broad on November 14, 2008, 12:32:49 AM
So whatever happened to the "Pit-Pack"?
Oh Rita, Rita, Rita. The holidays are approaching, a time for friends, loved ones, family, good cheer . And you gotta' bring this up ! TSK TSK TSK
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Rita, Shame on you! This thread is dead!!!!!
It's come back to bite us in the ass again.
No,no,no...just a hypothetical question: wondering what yous guys think in regards to a beloved family dog that suddenly "turns" on the young child, causing multiple injuries...obviously I realize that most of you would say to put the dog down - but I suspect there may be a few on this forum who may disagree...
Honestly, I could not rationalize keeping the dog, wondering how I would put my trust
back into that "beloved family dog." What if I tried to find a home for the dog, no children?
Nope I would always have to wonder how responsible I would feel if an attack happened again.
Sorry I am one person who would say, please for the sake of the safety of other humans and the
well being of the dog, humanly put it to sleep.
I could not resist posting this story from Sports Illustrated:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/index.html
Very surprised to see a beautiful pit bull on the cover.
:666:
Dog lover advances the cause of pit bulls (http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/berwyn/newsnow/x593045470/Dog-lover-advances-the-cause-of-pit-bulls?popular=true)
(http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/berwyn/archive/x1789520308/g13c0009a31a16031a19d97944966f93bcb8a859354f195.jpg) (http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/berwyn/archive/x1789520308/g13c0009a31a16031a19d97944966f93bcb8a859354f195.jpg)
Berwyn resident Nicole Hopman, with her pitbull Probert,
is a part of the "Pinups for Pitbulls" calendar.
By Adam Rosen, arosen@mysuburbanlife.com
Berwyn Life
Mon Sep 21, 2009, 10:43 AM CDT
Berwyn, IL -
Nicole Hopman has always enjoyed the company of pit bulls, so much so that she has dressed up as a pin-up girl to raise money for the breed she loves.
"They're the breed of dog that is most in need of responsible ownership," Hopman said. "A lot of people are just getting them to fight or train the wrong way and it doesn't help the breed at all."
In 2007, Hopman heard from Little Darling, a pinup model and burlesque performer and creator of the "Pinups for Pit bulls" calendar, that she had seen photos of her Hopman's pit bull and Probert wanted the dog to appear in the 2007 calendar. Hopman accepted, and was brought in the following year to appear beside her canine friend for the 2008 calendar.
This year, Hopman and Probert did a photo shoot with local photographer Chris Zibutis and submitted her best photos to the calendar.
If Hopman is one of the lucky 12 chosen, it will be her second appearance in the calendar and third for Probert.
Even if she is not included, Hopman will host a calendar release part Nov. 6 at The Exit in Chicago. However, half of the stars in the calendar will not be allowed admittance.
"There are no dogs allowed, but there will be many dog lovers there," Hopman said.
Notable
Probert the pit bull received his name from the former Chicago Blackhawks and Detroit Red Wings forward Bob Probert, who was notoriously known for his enforcer style of play. Nicole, a Red Wings fan, agreed with her husband Shawn, a Blackhawks fan, on the name.
& quotable
"For me it's disappointing that there are people out there who are willing to exploit a dogs loyalty for profit, and it's disappointing that someone has the capacity to be so cruel."
Calendar preorder available
The "Pinups for Pit bulls" calendar will go on sale in early November starting with the launch party Nov. 6, but calendars can already be pre-ordered at the organizations Web site, pinupsforpitbulls.com.
More about Nicole
OTHER PETS Addy, a pit bull
HOBBIES Baking, yoga
JOB Yoga teacher in Oak Park
Pinups for pitbulls!!???
She looks like a man. With a really really bad mullet.
Quote from: Boris on September 25, 2009, 08:38:21 PM
Pinups for pitbulls!!???
She looks like a man. With a really really bad mullet.
Boris - you're way too judgmental - at least from my perspective.
Quote from: MRS. NORTHSIDER on September 25, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: Boris on September 25, 2009, 08:38:21 PM
Pinups for pitbulls!!???
She looks like a man. With a really really bad mullet.
Boris - you're way too judgmental - at least from my perspective.
Boris, what a rude post.
<schnertz!>
Boris,
See the June 2008 page of their calendar. http://www.pinupsforpitbulls.com/#/vintage/4529581211 (http://www.pinupsforpitbulls.com/#/vintage/4529581211)
As a photographer, you should know that makeup and lighting can do miracles.
Bonster had the correct response. The rest of you should get over yourselves.