...no LOST fans in Berwyn, huh?
Actually, I've gotten hooked on it again after last season's last episode. I had lost interest the last few seasons but I think it go a lot better this season. Adding the "Oceaniac 6" and having 6 people get off the island (why only 6?) has added a lot to the show.
Plus, I think the whole "war" going on between Jack and Locke is classic - it's the battle of people who believe someone on faith alone (Locke) versus people who follow logic and reason (Jack).
In a way, it's the archtypal battle between logic versus religion and now that there aretwo camps, it is can almost be likened to the electoral battle between blue states (Jack's camp) versus the red states (Locke's camp).
Ted
Sounds like you FOUND a LOST fan...
I've been a fan from episode one! I just couldn't get into all the theory blogs and clubs and things that some fans do. It's like extracurricular activities. Too much to invest in one tv show! But I've followed them through all of their schedule changes, which hasn't always been easy either...
super fan. tell you a secret.. it's all about hurley. everyone keeps going back to Ben and Locke. But Hurley has been in the middle everytime something big goes down. the only event that he didn't prevent or was directly involved in was Charlie's death. and they made a huge deal about him being left on shore. he was supposed to paddle out not Desmond.
Speaking of Desmond, last episode, Sun's hidden agenda is to find Penny and Desmond. That's why she's aligning herself with pennies father. Penny and Desmond are going to be the one's who find the island again. She's desparate to get back because jin is still alive.
anyhoo. None of the theories matter. i saw an interview with the writer who revealed that they troll all of the forums for theories and purposly write around what people are talking about to throw them off. the writers don't even know where the plot is going. that's why it's so good.
Just about everything LOST is here... http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Also, www.zap2it.com still has LOST articles. They will still be writing blogs until the next season begins. There are a lot of theories there. I've come across so much about the science and the significance of characters names through their blogs. It takes a lot of reading and research to follow what the writers are doing. And yes, just when you think you're on to something, it goes in a different direction.
I did however, say that it was Locke in the casket, at the end of the season last year. For once, I was just one step ahead of some other fans!
And, by the way *, you may be right about Hurley's importance in a lot of the stories, BUT the buzz that I've been reading is that Aaron is a big key.
Lost, Heroes, and what happened to Journeyman?
Anyway, did they "move" the island via time/space travel? Is the island on some other plane/dimension now...sort of like on the old comic book cover seen on one of the last episodes?
More "Lost" than ever before! ???
Quote from: pioneer on June 16, 2008, 09:27:45 PM
Lost, Heroes, and what happened to Journeyman?
Anyway, did they "move" the island via time/space travel? Is the island on some other plane/dimension now...sort of like on the old comic book cover seen on one of the last episodes?
More "Lost" than ever before! ???
Yeah, I think it's called Lost because that's how the fans always feel about the plot. I think they've introduced so many totally ridiculous plot ideas that they will never be able to explain everything and have it even come close to making any sense. Like the smoke monster, and the latest "island move" ploy. The networks seem to do this quite often; inventing crazy plot twists that are impossible, then they just drop the shows before they have to explain them. There were a couple of sea monster shows on last year like that. Remember the Pretender? It was getting good ratings then just disappeared.
yes they did move the island. i am thinking that Locke is still alive. It's gotta be a dimensional- space time thing. There's no other explaination.
Quote from: * on June 21, 2008, 02:55:49 PM
yes they did move the island. i am thinking that Locke is still alive. It's gotta be a dimensional- space time thing. There's no other explaination.
Some deus ex machina will be created to keep Locke in the show up until the end. He is one of the 2 or 3 best characters. My thought was that the reason Ben wanted him brought back to the island was possibly that the island's "healing powers" would somehow revive him. The time/space issue is also a possibility (maybe he died at some distant point in the future and was brought back to the present deceased). Locke was promised by Ben that a magic box was going to be opened for him on the island. Did this somehow cause his death or could it bring him back to life? Jacob (aka Jack's father?) holds the answer. I can't wait til next season!
Best line of the opening episode of the new season - Locke coming out of a daze after a time shift and asking "When am I?"
Classic.
Quote from: Ted on January 25, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Best line of the opening episode of the new season - Locke coming out of a daze after a time shift and asking "When am I?"
Classic.
My favorite was Hurley's mother's "Why is there a dead Pakistani on my couch?!?!"
She seemed more annoyed by it than anything. LOL!
Quote from: Mugster on January 25, 2009, 08:43:49 PM
"Why is there a dead Pakistani on my couch?!?!"
I hate it when that happens.
Have been watching this show from day 1. I guess I'm completely addicted to it. The problem is I really don't have a clue whats going on. I'm LOST.
p.s. I know its not Lost but the other show I like is 24. How much stuff can happen to one man in one day.
OK, so is Ben good, bad or just ugly.....I am liking this season....anyone have any theories? What the heck is Richard!?! And what the heck is he going to do to Ben? And have they shown this Jacob dude yet? I may have missed an ep.....
Tried to watch one of the first ones. Didn't grab me. Didn't get hooked on 24 either. Must be something to them though, there sure are a lot of fans. My Mom loves Lost.
I saw an advertisement and love the Rodriguez girl ever since I saw her in "Girl Fight"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNuQx3UHrxQ
But don't have them TVs to watch any episode. TVs are the devil. :666:
I've been watching Lost but am disappointed in the way the plot is going. Any story that ends up resorting to time travel or dreams to make sense is bullshit IMO. There have a lot of shows in the past few years that just died out in the middle of ridiculous, impossible plots that could not be explained without resorting fantasy explanations. I do like 24 though. The nonstop action is interesting, if somewhat hard to believe.
Can somebody fill me in on something from this week's episode. I missed about 15 min near the beginning. What I saw was the Asian security dude pickup Hurley's body from the others. Then when I came back, Hurley was riding in the van with the security guy, and there was a body bag in the back of the van. When how did Hurley get killed, then where did the second Hurley come from?
It wasn't Hurley's body. I don't think the body was identified. This is from Zap2It.com's recap...
Sawyer contacts Miles via walkie, and asks him to erase the pylon video surveillance to cover his involvement in helping Ben escape. Sawyer and Kate split up, with Sawyer staying out longer under the guise of hunting Sayid. Before Miles can erase the tape, Horace comes into the Sheriff Station. He's looking for Sawyer, but decides to bring Miles into the "circle of trust."
He hands Miles a bag and tells him to meet Radzinsky in Grid 344 and exchange a bag for a package, no questions asked.. Miles notes that's in Hostiles Territory, and I note that 3 x 4 + 4 =16, because I'm a dork like that. Miles leaves with the tapes unerased. When he reaches Grid 344, Radzinsky pops up out of the woods, bearing a rifle and wearing an all-black Dharma jumpsuit. You know, for the slimming effect.
The jumpsuit bears the Swan logo, and soon, others emerge from the woods in the same garb. One bears a hole in his head. Radizsky takes the bag, which we now realize is a body bag, and tells Miles there was an accident. However, he refuses to reveal the nature of the injury, stating it's need to know information. The other Swan workers load the body into Miles' van, and head back into the woods. Once they are gone, Miles unzips the bag and asks, "OK, so what really happened?"
As Miles heads into the Sheriff station, we hear Horace on the phone with Pierre. "If it was caused by the electromagnetism, we need to know!" We glean that Pierre wants to see the body, so Horace sends Miles right back out to the Orchid to take the corpse there. Miles is hesitant to go, but Horace insists he has to. Outside, Miles finds Hurley packing food into the van. Dude, not a good idea to put lunch next to dead guys. First culinary rule. Miles tries to stop Hurley from tagging along, but no go there. Maybe they can discuss paradox again on the way to the Orchid.
I could've swore it was Hurley's body.
Quote from: Crunchie on April 17, 2009, 01:32:26 AM
I could've swore it was Hurley's body.
Yep. That's what I thought too. They did mention the dead guy's name, but it was not "Hurley"...it was a hispanic name though, so perhaps it is a future slimmer Hurley under a different name ala Sawyer???
The whole time travelling thing is getting out of hand. It would seem there is no way for any of them to ever get back into their "correct" timeline...guess that is why the show is called LOST. Also, what was with all the "Egyptian Hieroglyphs" in the "temple" and also the smoke "monster". I do not think the show has jumped the shark yet....but getting close....
More like jumped Moby Dick.
Quote from: pioneer on April 17, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
The whole time travelling thing is getting out of hand. It would seem there is no way for any of them to ever get back into their "correct" timeline...guess that is why the show is called LOST. Also, what was with all the "Egyptian Hieroglyphs" in the "temple" and also the smoke "monster". I do not think the show has jumped the shark yet....but getting close....
Can't they get back the same way Locke and Ben did? Or was the well closed up in 1977?
Ted
OK... Lost just lost me last night. How can Locke have traveled with Ben and Richard Alpert into the jungle 3 years earlier with Locke telling Richard to tell the "future" Locke that he has to die?
And it's just weird seeing people looking at younger versions of themselves (e.g. Miles)?
Anyone have any thoughts about last night's cliffhanger?
So it looks like they all "agreed" to kill themselves to give their "future" selves a shot at living normal lives?
Quote from: pioneer on May 14, 2009, 01:39:28 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about last night's cliffhanger?
So it looks like they all "agreed" to kill themselves to give their "future" selves a shot at living normal lives?
Can the past be changed? That's the question. If someone comes from the future into the past and kills all the people in the past that cause that original future, will the future change?
Or were the characters going into the past part of the original past anyway and the future characters didn't know about?
The characters were told in a previous episode (if my memory is correct) to go back to the island to PREVENT the island from blowing up. Which makes me wonder whether the characters from the future simply carried out their pre-ordained destiny.
One last question - Is the Locke character on the island today from the past? And why are people from the future or past seeing themselves in other parts of their lives?
It should be an interesting final season next year.
Ted
Yes, I think in the Lost universe, the future can be altered based on actions taken in the past.
As for Locke, I think the guy in black has taken his image ever since he came back on the second flight.
Not sure, but maybe it is part of the "rules" that he and Jacob are playing under. The "loophole" is that neither jacob or the guy in black can kill each other...but apparently they can get someone else to do it.
Still, not sure who the "good guys" are....it seems no one knows about the guy in black....maybe Ben did? He has always been one that keeps secrets. Also, Richard probably knows about him.
In the scene where Jacob is visiting people in the past....Ilana seems to know Jacob??? Is she possibly another "Richard" type person. Jacob asks her to help him and she agrees....I am guessing she is bringing the body of Locke so Jacob can possesses it or bring him back to life? I think the real Locke still has a job to complete.
Lastly, Jacob contacts Hurley and directly intervenes by telling him exactly what flight to be on...also what is in the guitar case???
Hurley also is keeping this event to himself....because he thinks it was another halucination or because he is Jacobs "trump card"?
One last thing....anyone think this will end up on the big screen???
Quote from: pioneer on May 16, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
One last thing....anyone think this will end up on the big screen???
It's starting to remind me of the Dallas series where a whole year's plots were part of a dream. This time travel angle is a substitute for good writing IMO. It allows the writer to make up any crazy wacky shit he wants to and always being able to get off the hook with his trump card.
Quote from: pioneer on May 16, 2009, 11:12:32 AM
As for Locke, I think the guy in black has taken his image ever since he came back on the second flight.
Not sure, but maybe it is part of the "rules" that he and Jacob are playing under. The "loophole" is that neither jacob or the guy in black can kill each other...but apparently they can get someone else to do it.
I know a lot of people have speculated that Locke is the guy in black (and that Jacob is God and the guy in black is The Devil") but I wonder if it is simply Locke from an earlier period.
Interesting speculation on the loop hole. I thought the loop hole had something to do with time travel.
WIth this last episode, LOST has now morphed from the fight between Logic versus Religion/Faith to a fight between Good and Evil.
Ted
One week left....
So we all know that that is not really locke who's with ben and jacob in the temple. It's the guy that was with Jacob in the opening scene of the episode. WE know this because in their conversation, the guy tells Jacob how he wants to kill him and that one day they would find a loop hole. Jacob revisits that conversation when he tells the locke doppleganger "seems like you found your loop hole". Locke is dead. And we see this when the "new others" dump his body for Richard to see.
I have a funny feeling that it's gonna wrap up with everyone back in line at the airport getting on the original flight, but this time they sense something is wrong and they all in their own little byline never get on the plane. But they all find each other... the last scene will probably be Hurley Showing the guitar to Charlie (rockstar), who have just met, and become friends.
excellent list of questions that need answers....
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/02/02/lost-in-numbers-the-108-questions-we-want-lost-to-answer/
LOST: The Movie...........can it be far away? >:(
Boy was I waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy off... But I know I am not the only one asking is Juliet really dead... I have a feeling she's gonna pop up somewhere.
I guessed some things correctly...especially Hurley as Jacob's trump card!
So what are the odds that Sayid is NOT possessed by Jacob?
The Man in Black wants to go home? hmmmmmmm.....
Why was Richard in chains at some point in time? And who are Ilana and her "good guys"???
Not to mention the japanese dude and the temple people?!?!?
Smoke monster mystery solved.....sort of
I was entertained! ;D
Oh...and looks like there are still multiple timelines....
1) the original time line...the one that started the series of events for all the characters (plane still crashed in this one)
2) the timeline that prevented the plane going down (opening scenes of yesterdays show....notice that it is somewhat similar but not exactly (as in who should be on the plane)....why is Desmond on the plane?....he seems to disappear also....is he the only one that still knows things are not right?) This is the timeline that diverted from the original timeline (1) when some of the characters went back in time to 1977 and blew up the bomb, thus leading to the events at the start of yesterdays show (also, it seems that Jack seems to be experiencing some sort of deja-vu, but also seems to have no knowledge of the entire crash and experience onn the island....although it all did occur as the camera shows when it goes beneath the ocean and pans over the Dharma village and the stone foot of the egyptian god Sobek all under the ocean
3) In fact, it could be very possible that there are hundreds of timelines...afterall Jacob and the MIB have apparently been "playing" this game for a long time....is it even possible for a mere mortal to get UNLOST? Perhaps only Jacob (a god) has the power to set things straight...if he wanted to, if he can "prove" his point.....I am thinking that the current batch of "guinea pigs" were the only ones to ever have considered "self-sacrifice" for the good of others...meaning when they blew up the hydrogen bomb, they did not care about themselves anylonger and did it for the benefit of everyone else.....maybe that is what Jacob meant that there is only one ending and everything else is just "progress"....
Still....I am not entirely convinced Jacob is good.....he is manipulating people just like the MIB....he seems nice, but really, he is telling Hurley what to do....and if Sayid is really now Jacob....he is doing it for his own purpose...to defeat MIB....why did he not tell Hurley to bring Juliet to the temple? Also, it would seem MIB is a captive....why can't he just go "home" when he chooses?
AND WHERE'S THE CASKET!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: OICU812 on February 03, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
But I know I am not the only one asking is Juliet really dead.
No, you are. The rest of us know that no one is ever really dead while on the island.
Quote from: Crunchie on February 03, 2010, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: OICU812 on February 03, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
But I know I am not the only one asking is Juliet really dead.
No, you are. The rest of us know that no one is ever really dead while on the island.
LMAO - Nice!
Here's a pretty good take that tries to explain a bit more about the season premier.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/)
If time was indeed altered in 1977 by detonating the h-bomb...then everyone that we saw die during the show...is now alive (in the new timeline that was created and seen during the flight from Australia segments) ..Claire (in the cab with kate), charlie (on the flight back from Australia), John Locke...and yes, even Juliet...afterall, she never would have been asked to come to the island to do her fertility research....her path just did not put her on that flight at the beginning of the show......but something tells me they are all going to somehow cross paths again....it has already started with Jack giving Locke his card...Kate getting in the cab with Claire....it's like you can't escape fate...or someone is controlling it?
Additionally, if Desmond is not pretending to not know Jack, then his life has also diverted greatly from what we originally saw...afterall, both he and Jack met before...I think they had previously met at some empty stadium or something like that....like I said...the time travel has somehow erased Jack's memories..but they are still there like some sort of deja-vu.....Also, Hurley is not "unlucky" in this new timeline.....some things seem to have diverted (good or bad) from their original timeline course...others seem pretty much the same
Based on the underwater scenes...we can speculate that the Dharma experiment up to 1977 did happen...Widmore and Faraday do still exist (assuming they are still alive in the new timeline) .....they are most likely still out there in the new timeline...plotting their next moves....knowing the position of the island at any given point in time as they know it.....their knowledge of the island's existance should not have been affected by the bomb's explosion, in fact, they probably know about it...it is a "part" of history as they know it in their timeline.....which means they will start seeking out Jack and Co pretty soon.......
Also, one thing I would like answered is the island's "movement"...does is "move" physically or through time...if through time, then it does not make sense...afterall, it would take thousands/millions of years for the island to move far enough on the earth's surface to appear to "disappear" to an onlooker when it time shifts....during the time shifts...it seems to only time travel a few decades back and forth.....dimensional shift? maybe, but why would that alter the actual physical placement of the island on the surface of the planet?
I can go on and on.....
Quote from: OICU812 on February 03, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
Boy was I waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy off... But I know I am not the only one asking is Juliet really dead... I have a feeling she's gonna pop up somewhere.
I read somewhere that the actress who plays Juliet is now on another TV series now, so I don't think she'll be a regular on Lost.
Quote from: pioneer on February 03, 2010, 01:45:23 PM
If time was indeed altered in 1977 by detonating the h-bomb...then everyone that we saw die during the show...is now alive (in the new timeline that was created and seen during the flight from Australia segments) ..Claire (in the cab with kate), charlie (on the flight back from Australia), John Locke...and yes, even Juliet...afterall, she never would have been asked to come to the island to do her fertility research....her path just did not put her on that flight at the beginning of the show......but something tells me they are all going to somehow cross paths again....it has already started with Jack giving Locke his card...Kate getting in the cab with Claire....it's like you can't escape fate...or someone is controlling it?
But.. but... where's Walt and Michael? How could two central characters from Season 1 not be on the plane when it landed in L.A. ?
Quote from: pioneer on February 03, 2010, 01:45:23 PM
... Based on the underwater scenes...we can speculate that the Dharma experiment up to 1977 did happen...Widmore and Faraday do still exist (assuming they are still alive in the new timeline) .....they are most likely still out there in the new timeline...plotting their next moves....knowing the position of the island at any given point in time as they know it.....their knowledge of the island's existance should not have been affected by the bomb's explosion, in fact, they probably know about it...it is a "part" of history as they know it in their timeline.....which means they will start seeking out Jack and Co pretty soon.......
But.. but... the only people who moved through time on the island were the ones who should not have been in that time line first place (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid). In 1977, Widmore and Eloise were in their original time line.
The fact that Desmond was on the plane means the time line changed after the H-bomb exploded. That means Widmore and Eloise would have died when the hydrogen bomb exploded (they were not time shifters since they were in their original time line) which means Daniel Faraday would never have been born! (and Widmore would be dead, unless Widmore was also a time shifter in 1977 and shouldn't have been there).
Quote from: Ted on February 04, 2010, 05:50:12 AM
Quote from: pioneer on February 03, 2010, 01:45:23 PM
QuoteBut.. but... where's Walt and Michael? How could two central characters from Season 1 not be on the plane when it landed in L.A. ?
Where's Mr Eko?
You fail to see the point......there is no longer one timeline......we do not know what has happened in the new timeline created after the H-bomb....it's the Butterfly effect.......any minute event causes a series of events.....like I said...why is Desmond on that return flight from Australia.....he was originally on the island pushing buttons to keep things in check (the original timeline as we know it).....now for whatever reason, fate perhaps?, he is on that plane returning from Australia...why was he in Australia? who knows.....the series I think is based on not being able to change events that "should" happen....that somehow the events will happen, just via a differnt set of events in the current timeline.....I think Jacob is behind everything...everytime he cannot get things to "end" the way he wants them to, he seems to be the only one who can cross time and be anywhere and anytime he wants...apparrently the MIB cannot
the H-bomb destroyed everyone on the entire island? No idea...but not sure that matters since Dharma people can come and go via their submarine which in 1977 was still not blown up........
Plus Widmore was banished.....not on the island as of 1977....I do not know if Faraday was on the island in 1977....
Walt and Michael? who knows but they are most likely either on that plane, but we did not see them, or back home due to some unknown series of events that caused them not to be on the plane to begin with....same with Eko.....
Bottom line is...time is irrelavant in the LOST universe when Jacob has the ability to transport himself to any given point in time....the only problem is that by doing so, he creates a new timeline...and therefore his actions disrupt/change the timeline.... and get people/pawns LOST from their original timelines....
QuoteI think Jacob is behind everything...everytime he cannot get things to "end" the way he wants them to, he seems to be the only one who can cross time and be anywhere and anytime he wants...apparrently the MIB cannot
I totally agree. I think that Jacob is changing events to get to his end game. He said it in the begining of the final episode last season. "Everything else (leading to destruction) is just progress). So he's learning each time where to go and make "adjustments" in time so that his end game is met. Which may or may not be people coming to the island and living in peace and harmony forever. The Island is Nirvana.
So what does everyone think about LOST? I really hope we don't end up with more questions than answers at the end of this season!
Quote from: Tuttles on February 18, 2010, 03:16:07 AM
So what does everyone think about LOST? I really hope we don't end up with more questions than answers at the end of this season!
Apparently not many LOST fans in Berwyn....
I generally do not watch TV, but got hooked on LOST....maybe they will make a movie....but hopefully as a sequel to the series and not as a way to resolve loose ends....
The last few LOST episodes are just starting to seem like the same plot over and over again- a flash sideways with one character mixed in with some "the boogeyman is coming" good guys vs bad guys fights. It'll probably be that way until mid April... <yawn>
Agreed, so far very few "revelations"....however, last night ended pretty good with the return of Widmore (knew he would be back...I am sure Desmond is not far behind)....
Also, seems we should get an answer about Richard Alpert's story soon....I think it is pretty obvious he was either the captain or a crew member of the Black Rock...probably the same ship we saw at the end of season 5 being watched over by Jacob and the man in black....
Also, hate how the next episode promos keep saying.."the time for questions is over"....how about more answers...and also how they teased about Ben's "demise" which did not happen.....
I wonder if the only way off the island for good is to accept "taking over" the life of the "alternate" self.....
The original Ben did sacrifice his daughter, however, seems he may have had a change of heart and may not do so again if confronted with a similar choice (swapping himself with his alternate self).....
Seems many of the characters are having a "better" life after bomb exploded/plane did not crash....there are exceptions though (Kate, Charlie....probably others we have not seen yet)...
So as of last night:
Team Jacob: Jack, Hurley, Sun
Team MIB: Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sayid
I do not think the MIB needs a candidate to replace him...I just think he needs to keep all the candidates from accepting to replace Jacob...only then can he "go home" (heaven, hell, space?)....
Stay tuned....
Quote from: pioneer on March 10, 2010, 10:40:17 AM
So as of last night:
Team Jacob: Jack, Hurley, Sun
Team MIB: Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sayid
I do not think the MIB needs a candidate to replace him...I just think he needs to keep all the candidates from accepting to replace Jacob...only then can he "go home" (heaven, hell, space?)....
Stay tuned....
I'm not so sure Kate is part of the dark force. Remember the way Locke/SmokeMonster looked at her last night. She didn't make a deal with the devil. I have a feeling kate is just playing along, unlike Claire and Sayid.
Plus, why did you think Sawyer and Jin are on the dark side? Sawyer seems to be saying to hell with everyone and Jin seems to be lost in the jungle at this point.
Sorry, I did not mean any kind of alliance, I just meant that they were currently with him and away from Jacob via Illana....
We do not know what has happened to either Sawyer or Jin after their encounter with "Locke"...as long as they are "going along" with MIB...they should still be alive....just like Sayid and Claire
I still cannot say who is worse, Jacob or MIB...I do not think people are acting on free will if Jacob has been manipulating lives into arriving to the island...also, weren't lives lost when the plane crashed onto the island....this is OK for Jacob to do just to get his "candidates"?
It is not over till its over....and then maybe not until after Lost: The Movie..... ;D
I finally figured it out. The island is really the Hotel California... <LOL>
I hope there is an episode devoted to how the Widmore's encountered (Jacob/MIB)...they know what is going on on that island and what the stakes are....basically the destruction of the original timeline (which at this point seems to be the one where the plane actually did crash).....I think that is what is meant when "everything and everyone we know will cease to exist" is mentioned....why else would Widmore want to recreate the Electromagnetic phenomena other than to try and "erase" the second timeline....again, I need an episode that explains how Widmore has all this knowledge...how he knows how to keep the MIB/smoke monster at bay....
Daniell Faraday also now seems to have realized or become aware of "the alternate" timeline....somehow, the "original" Daniel via his experiments somehow managed to "time-travel" his conscience into his alternate self....in other words, both Daniels are alive but living in two different timelines.....just like everyone else
Last night's episode proved one thing though.....the timelines were the same up to 1977 when the bomb was set off...this is why the Widmore's know about the island/Jacob/MIB.....they have just not been able to get back to it...also, apparently, Eloise must have left the island sometime between Charles Widmore was booted off the island and before the bomb exploded.....additionally, they probably do not want people to start "putting the pieces" together of their "alt" existence for fear that they may not want to make "sacrifices"...which may mean destroying an entire world's alternate existence
Sayid and The Kwons are dead? So is the unknown Kwon candidate their daughter???? Can't remember if she was already pregnant when the plane first crashed during season 1....I think she was....
Quote from: pioneer on May 05, 2010, 10:38:12 AM
Sayid and The Kwons are dead?
I wouldn't take that for granted. They kind of left it open-ended. I wouldn't be surprised if next week they show Jin finding a prybar and getting Sun freed, and them geting out of the sub.
Quote from: pioneer on May 05, 2010, 10:38:12 AM
Sayid and The Kwons are dead? So is the unknown Kwon candidate their daughter???? Can't remember if she was already pregnant when the plane first crashed during season 1....I think she was....
I agree with Crunchie. They never actually showed Sayid or the Kwans dying. Also, there is no daughter in the alternate time line. Last we saw, Sun was pregnant but bleeding so it is up in the air in the alternate time line whether she has the baby.
It's interesting that Locke/Smoke Monster would need any kind of army to "help him". He obviously cannot be killed and he could kill a whole host of people (and already has) so the idea of him needing to "recruit" an army against Widmore is absurd.
Ted
probably...cheesy though.....
He does not need an army...he just needs them to all leave with him (by their choice) in order for him to be able to leave...as per the "rules" between he and Jacob.....hopefully, the next episode will finally explain all that (not holding my breath though)...
Additionally, some of the candidates are allowed to die as long at it is not by his hand....which leaves me to believe you are correct...I think he knew he would be tricked and put the bomb in Jack's backpack to "ensure" they return...I assume he would have just turned off the bomb if his plan went as he wanted....so if the Kwon candidate is truly dead..the game is over which would not happen for the sake of the story....however.....who really initiated the course of events that led to the explosion? Can you argue that it was Jack and/or Sawyer.....if so, then the "rules" were not broken....
Also, I still do not like the way Widmore "knows" how to neutralize the MIB....how does he know about the technology that keeps the smike monster at bay? Too many unanswered questions....too few episodes left to answer them
Also, the Kwons returned to the island from "their" reality....they do have a daughter in "their" reality...there are at least 2 versions of reality in LOST...the one in which they are trying to escape the island and the one we now know as the "alternate" reality.....somehow they both seem to be merging in the subconscience of the ALTERNATE Jack, Hurley, etc...some are more attune to it (I am guessing people like the Widmore's, their son (forgot his name), and now it seems Desmond.....but they are all getting there....I think Desmond is the key
Let's see...
Cain & Abel meet Eve & the forbidden apple meet Oedipus Rex meet Pandora's box.
Is there any archetype that they didn't have in tonight's episode?? .... LOL
I cannot see how the Man in Black is the villian in all this.....his real mother was murdered, he is forced to stay on the island by the murderer of his real mother, and now apparently is held captive by Jacob....
Seems to me Jacob is the one who was manipulated and now seeks to want to prove his mother/brother wrong about MANKIND....OK...why not do it on his own time?
Yep...last night proved very disappointing.....and we need to just accept that going into the "cave of light" will turn you into a smoke monster? Not to mention why the cave is even there and who the woman was..... Only 2 episodes left.....
UGH
Best line of the night was when Jacob said to Kate "It's only a chalk mark in a cave" when Kate asked why Jacob crossed her off the list.
Ted
Yes....very dissapointing....basically the audience just needs to accept it all, shut up and not ask why since apparently no one "really" wants to know anyway.... ???
The show is a sunk cost...unfortunately I feel I need to see how it all ends....
I still cannot blame the Smoke Monster for being PO'd with Jacob......
Also, does Jacob know that the alternate lives exists? If so, would Jack have made his choice knowing that he had a wife/son?
What did Widmore whisper to Smoke/Locke? Did he tell him about these alternate candidate versions?
Ooops, sorry....asking questions again...... :(
They started off this season with a lot of hoopla about giving us the answers and explanations to all of this hokey BS that they have been shovelling at us like crazy for the past few years. I don't think they have done much to fulfill that promise. It's going to be really interesting to see what they come up with Sunday night. I sure hope it isn't another stall to suck everybody into watching "Lost" "the movie."
So, in the end, LOST was a show about a bunch of ghosts fighting and killing each other, falling in love, travelling through time and, ultimately, getting redemption and going to heaven.
Why was Ben Linus left off the hook for killing someone but not Michael?
And, what does it mean when a ghost kills another ghost!!!
OK...this was very deep....here is my take, but really...the whole show (island part, alt reality part, jacob and MIB..etc..is all open to interpretation)
Basically, I believe the first airplane crash really did happen and some died in the crash and others (our main characters) did not. Some died during the events up to and leading to the finale (ana lucia, Mr. Eko, juliet, the real Locke, Sayid, the Kwons, etc..etc)....and here is the interesting part.....some actually lived (presumably long normal lives in the REAL world) after the events we witnessed ON THE ISLAND (real world)...Basically, the characters would include (Kate, Sawyer, Lapidis, Miles, Desmond, and ironically Richard Alpert who was finally freed of his immortality).....as for Hurley and Ben...who knows how long they lived on the island as its new protectors...with no enemies, ie another smoke monster...this could have gone on for years or centuries???? (basically, Hugo the new Jacob and Ben the new Richard Alpert)......
again....there are many things that are open to interpretation.....why were Walt and his son not at the gathering?....well, the point is that he and his son may have already "moved on"....remember...the Alt reality is timeless...it exists just as a means to "go into the light" "move to the next life"......in the story, everyone that we saw in that church...were connected to each other and were all needed to move on......that is to say, Walt, Micheal, Mr. Ecko, Ana Lucia, etc...all either were able to move on on their own or had a completely different set of people that would do so with them.......
Some of the things that I still do not understand are the following:
Who were Widmore and Eloise? Why were they fearful and/or wanted to possess the islands power...and did they really know what it really represented? What did Widmore tell the fake Locke? How did Widmore know how to contain the smoke monster? (for this I am beginning to think that Widmore was a descendant of some of the initial island inhabitants who happened to "discover" that the islands pockets of electromagnetism kept them "safe" from the smoke monster...again, since this was not explained it is all open to interpretation)...
Why did Jacob reappear as a boy?
Illana and her team.....who were they really? They sort of reminded me of that secret society that protected the Holy Grail in the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade movie.....
Why did the MIB have to die? I still do not think he was evil...he was just a victim of circumstance....I would have preferred that (after he lost his "powers")....he would have been allowed to leave the island with Sawyer, kate, etc on the plane...he could have returned to the REAL world and just live the rest of his life as LOCKE....no one would have known.....except Kate, Sawyer, Miles, etc that were on the plane.....
Finally, we do not know what happened to Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Lapidis, Desmond, and Richard after the plane took off...maybe they landed safley someplace and lived long lives in the REAL WORLD or maybe they crashed into the sea.....but I guess that is really besides the point....
All in all, I was satisfied with the ending...I think the show set a high standard and will be hard to top......nothing to watch now except The Office reruns...which is easier on the brain.... ;D
Widmore, Eloise, Daniel Farraday, Illiana and others who "came" to the island from outside were the equivalent of either angels or devils, trying to lead the "candidates" in one direction or another.
I also was disappointed that Walt and Michael were not part of the finale. I guess the actor who played Michael really pissed off the producers.
Face it, they just sucked us in. It was a bullshit ending. Beaucoup loose ends and unexplained questions. It was the whole season of Dallas that was erased when someone woke up and and said, 'Wow, what a crazy dream.' Screw 'em.
Quote from: Ted on May 24, 2010, 06:38:47 PM
Widmore, Eloise, Daniel Farraday, Illiana and others who "came" to the island from outside were the equivalent of either angels or devils, trying to lead the "candidates" in one direction or another.
I also was disappointed that Walt and Michael were not part of the finale. I guess the actor who played Michael really pissed off the producers.
Interesting take, however, after re-watching the finale....I think people like Eloise and Widmore are like Ben Linus....they have become aware that they are dead but either must wait to move on or willingly decide not to move on...due to fellings of remorse for their past actions and feeling that they do not deserve to "step into the light"....others like Ana Lucia are still "bad" and thus "are not ready".....According to Jack's father, Christian, no one goes alone....however, the group you somehow are connected to the most in life are the ones that facilitate/enable your "crossing over".....It was a twist to the statement that Kate and Sawyer would say "Live Together, Die Alone".....
Yes, I agree about Walt and Michael....however, just because they were not at the "church" does not mean that have not already crossed.....all we can infer is that those characters that we did see in the "alt existence/purgatory" are dead...they just do not realize it/are not ready to move on....Also, we know Michael is dead because Hurley has the ability to "see dead people".....
Also.....if the island needs a protector....did Hurley figure out a way to make sure no one ever messes with the island? Or perhaps Judgement Day has finally come and the Island is no longer needed??? We do not know how long Hurley and Ben were on the Island as co-protectors.....Additionally, there is no time as we know it in the Alt/purgatory.....
Also, we saw the fake Locke lying on the rocks....but was he really dead???? Movie material if you ask me.....Hurley and Ben in the "FINAL" battle with MIB for the Island's survival another 1,000 years in the future!!!!.........plus the opportunity to tie up loose ends like Michael (redemption opportunity), Eloise and Widmore.....David and Charolette....The Kwon's baby girl.....Son of Desmond!!!! I better stop...... ;D
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/kecks-exclusives/lost-to-continue-in-season-six-dvd-5119.html
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LOST theatrical prequel or sequel seems probable.......seems like guaranteed money....they did it for Twin Peaks and X-files....
I would start the movie with MIB on the other side of the church doors..... :666:
I was thinking about the characters on LOST and it occurred to me that some of the characters match some of the posters on BTF on the island we call Berwyn. Berwyn is the island. "The Others" are the BRDO, the original inhabitants of the island. The Dharma Initiative is like the IVB, new comers who came to the island and changed it. And, the hydrogen bomb was the 2009 election, which made everything that happened after 2005 disappear in time.
1. P-Panther is Jacob - ancient protector of the island who is trying to make sure the island does not fall into evil hands.
2. Artanis1215 was the Smoke Monster - boyhood friend of Jacob but now his nemesis. Destroys every person in his path who does not support him.
3. Bear is Benjamin Linus - switched sides from the Dharma Initiative to be with the Others. Continually trying to hurt people not on his side, sometimes out of the blue.
4. Berwyn Patsy is Eloise - She left the island but keeps giving advice to people who want to get back to or stay on the island.
5. OPS is Jack - Trying to keep the island safe from the Smoke Monster and his allies.
6. Rbain is Sawyer - Always ready with a quick quip.
7. Shelley is Kate - Another person trying to protect the island. Always helping out those in need.
8. Paul Fuentes was Michael - He was there in the first few seasons but then he disappeared.
9. Ruffian is Charles Widmore - Always comes back to the island in another form, usually with a boat load of guns and explosives.
Damn Ted,
This one gets an A+ for creativity.
Ted, try stamp collecting. :D
'Lost' Numbers PAY OFF in Mega Millions Lottery
1/5/2011 TMZ Staff
Finally, a purpose for those damn "Lost" numbers -- because if you played the same cursed digits that Hurley used on the show ... you could have walked away with $150 in last night's Mega Millions lottery.
Mega Millions Winning Numbers
Of course, Hurley's numbers were 4,8,15,16,23 and 42.
The Mega Millions numbers were 4,8,15,25 and 47 ... with 42 being the Mega Ball number.
Last night's jackpot was $355 million. Hurley only won $114 million.
Two people reportedly picked the winning numbers. Hopefully, they won't book air travel to Australia in the near future ... they could end up on a TV show with absolutely zero closure.