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Political Discussion / Re: I Don't Care What It Says
« Last post by Bungalow on June 30, 2015, 05:36:44 PM »
One of my all time favorite bumper stickers:  The Religious Right is Neither.
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Political Discussion / Re: I Don't Care What It Says
« Last post by Ted on June 30, 2015, 04:00:47 PM »
I'm getting very tired of hearing "What the Bible says" from politicians.
The Bible is wrong about Creation.
The Bible is wrong about evolution.
The Bible is wrong about slavery.
And yes, it's wrong about homosexuality and same sex marriage.
This weekend was packed with idiots, in every media, still spouting crap about God's word.  Enough !

+1
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General Discussion / Re: Fireworks
« Last post by MikeWazowski on June 30, 2015, 08:04:05 AM »
Mugster and Mrs. Northsider, thanks for the info.
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General Discussion / Re: Fireworks
« Last post by MRS. NORTHSIDER on June 30, 2015, 07:35:34 AM »
There haven't been any for at least 5 to 7 years now in Berwyn.  Berwyn used to have them yearly at Morton West and North Riverside had them usually the same night so if you parked at the North Riverside Mall you could usually see them both.  No. Riverside no longer has them either.  Budget constraints were the cause for the cessation, at least here in Berwyn.
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General Discussion / Re: Fireworks
« Last post by Mugster on June 30, 2015, 12:06:37 AM »
I don't think there are any in Berwyn.  The closest display I've found is in Lyons.

From their site...  Getty said that the parade will kick off at 1 pm on Saturday at 46th Street and Lawndale Avenue, heading to Joliet Avenue North to the Fire Station.
A Kids Party will begin at 6:30 pm through 9 pm at Veteran’s Park featuring entertainment for families and children, face painting for the kids, food and music. The Fireworks display will begin at Dusk.
“We urge everyone to arrive early and enjoy the festivities. The best place to watch the fireworks is from William G. Smith & Veteran’s Park,” Getty said.
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Current Events / Re: Ronnie Lottz's last stand?
« Last post by markberwyn on June 29, 2015, 07:33:45 PM »
who are you referring to?

Who is this advice intended for?

Myself?

Yourself?

Berwynites?

*pats Jackal on the head*
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Current Events / Re: Ronnie Lottz's last stand?
« Last post by The Jackal on June 29, 2015, 06:17:08 PM »
who are you referring to?

Who is this advice intended for?

Myself?

Yourself?

Berwynites?
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Current Events / Re: Ronnie Lottz's last stand?
« Last post by markberwyn on June 29, 2015, 01:19:48 PM »
I dunno---don't treat women like crap, find better barbecue in the suburbs, try to avoid places that put Nazis on their performance schedule, ask yourself why Ronnie Lottz is incapable of apologizing for his behavior?
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Current Events / Re: Ronnie Lottz's last stand?
« Last post by The Jackal on June 29, 2015, 12:59:02 PM »
Someone needs to go in the bar and check,female only.
Well, I'd hate to recommend that anybody actually patronize the business to find out.

Well, what outside of not patronizing Cigars and Stripes would you recommend the people of Berwyn do?

Oh, goodness, I wasn't actually recommending that people not patronize the place at all. I meant it'd be dumb to go there just to see if the mirror is still up. And besides, recommending people not go there would be tantamount to calling for a boycott, and I tend to think boycotts are dumb and counterproductive. Think of the people on this board who suggested that it was women exclusively who had to boycott the place---as if Ronnie Lottz's bad behavior was women's problem to fix.

What I will say---and what everybody here can agree on---is that if you know the story of the mirror, you're morally obligated to visit the place mindfully. You have to ask yourself:

1. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner calls women c*nts and bitches and prostitutes when he's criticized by them?

2. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner responds to women who say they feel unsafe by dismissing their concerns? Indeed, by openly mocking them?

3. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner misleads the media?

4. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner fires a bigot in his employ with great haste when it's called out, but sinks into delay and sophistry when a plainly offensive mirror is called out?

5. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner's pig-headedness forced a waste of resources, however modest, from the police department and city council?

6. Am I OK with patronizing a business whose owner cynically carried the flag for cyberbullying---a true and legitimate social issue---simply to cover for his own foolish and insulting behavior?

I know there are a lot of people who will respond to those questions by saying, "Here's my money, Ronnie---fill my gullet!" According to various reports, Ronnie can griddle a McNugget a lot better the McDonald's down the block, or whatever it is he does. Fine. But you don't get to pretend that going there doesn't count as a decision in response to Ronnie Lottz's actions.

(I think that the BDC, as an organization with a mission of maintaining and improving Berwyn's reputation, ought to think more closely about these questions. But everybody who knows the mirror story is on the hook for this.)

Great.

Fine and dandy.

Both the BDC and Berwynites in general are in fact mindful of all of the above?

Now what?
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Political Discussion / Re: I Don't Care What It Says
« Last post by berwyn senator on June 29, 2015, 12:15:40 PM »
I never talk of religion because,I don't care to,never will and don't believe bible thumpers.
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