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OakParkSpartan

Items of interest...

Parking garage moving forward.

Lovero wants to effectively do away with the crime free housing ordinance by making it voluntary (and apply it to single family homes).  Why in the world would you want to make it easier for criminals to live here???

The Skryd Grievance returns.  How much city money can one Alderman waste while trying to get their husband promoted?

Chicago is raising water rates.  Ours will go up 10%.

Most interesting item is J-9.  It would appear the US Department of Justice looked at the 2004/2005 (Shaugnessy/DCOBRDO Administration) and determined that "Impermissable Expenditures" were made to the tune of over three quarters of a million dollars ($762,793).  Thank you Mr. Marzullo and city council.  This is a big item as the city likely does not have reserves to meet this re-imbursement.

The Centennial made $4500+.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

Bonster

Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 12:08:09 PM
Lovero wants to effectively do away with the crime free housing ordinance by making it voluntary (and apply it to single family homes).  Why in the world would you want to make it easier for criminals to live here???

He says it's because "landlords are not solidly behind this," which is rather ignorant if you ask me; it's not their decision. 
I do, however, like the idea of adding all (including single family rentals) to the mix if resources are made available by this. 



The problem we have, unfortunately, is tracing a lot of problems to certain properties.  I think a lot of the crime by those from Cicero, Austin, et al is due to them hanging around ne'er-do-wells who rent here.
   ... "Shit ton of beer being served here soon!"

Terri

Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 12:08:09 PM

Most interesting item is J-9.  It would appear the US Department of Justice looked at the 2004/2005 (Shaugnessy/DCOBRDO Administration) and determined that "Impermissable Expenditures" were made to the tune of over three quarters of a million dollars ($762,793).  Thank you Mr. Marzullo and city council.  This is a big item as the city likely does not have reserves to meet this re-imbursement.
Here is the link to item J-9 detailed on p170 of the packet.  This in in your best interest as a resident and taxpayer to read the DOJ parameters of the program, it is very clear that the expenditures were not used in the proper way.  Pay up Berwyn.  

http://www.berwyn-il.gov/pdf/MtgAgendas/2008/20081111-CouAgenda-Full-Packet.pdf


Ana

"He says it's because "landlords are not solidly behind this," which is rather ignorant if you ask me; it's not their decision. 
I do, however, like the idea of adding all (including single family rentals) to the mix if resources are made available by this."

My sentiments exactly, it's not the landlords' decision.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.  - Bill Cosby

OakParkSpartan

Most people are not going to want to be regulated, especially if their business model is predicated upon renting to people the community (and the legal system) may view as troublemakers.
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

Ana

Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 12:08:09 PM
Items of interest...

Most interesting item is J-9.  It would appear the US Department of Justice looked at the 2004/2005 (Shaugnessy/DCOBRDO Administration) and determined that "Impermissable Expenditures" were made to the tune of over three quarters of a million dollars ($762,793).  Thank you Mr. Marzullo and city council.  This is a big item as the city likely does not have reserves to meet this re-imbursement.


"2 million in the bank building is worth more than any million in a politician's pocket."
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.  - Bill Cosby

A.Malina

Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 02:15:49 PM
Most people are not going to want to be regulated, especially if their business model is predicated upon renting to people the community (and the legal system) may view as troublemakers.
Belongs in the BTF "Deathless Quotations" listing.
"I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow

dukesdad

Quote"2 million in the bank building is worth more than any million in a politician's pocket."

Continues to make no sense.

Ana

#8
I would rather have 2 million spent on the bank building preservation than having any amount of money disappearing into a politician's pocket.  If it's specifics and names that you want, I don't have those.  It was a general statement.  What doesn't make sense to me is your initial reaction to my statement.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.  - Bill Cosby

ZORBA

Quote from: Terri on November 11, 2008, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 12:08:09 PM

Most interesting item is J-9.  It would appear the US Department of Justice looked at the 2004/2005 (Shaugnessy/DCOBRDO Administration) and determined that "Impermissable Expenditures" were made to the tune of over three quarters of a million dollars ($762,793).  Thank you Mr. Marzullo and city council.  This is a big item as the city likely does not have reserves to meet this re-imbursement.
Here is the link to item J-9 detailed on p170 of the packet.  This in in your best interest as a resident and taxpayer to read the DOJ parameters of the program, it is very clear that the expenditures were not used in the proper way.  Pay up Berwyn.  

http://www.berwyn-il.gov/pdf/MtgAgendas/2008/20081111-CouAgenda-Full-Packet.pdf

Oh Bear ....................... where are you ???????

Explanation, please.

:D ;D :D

dukesdad

Just that it makes no sense. The bank building and politicians stealing have nothing to do with each other. If Berwyn had 2 million in the bank, then I might be able to see spending some small part of it on helping someone preserve the bank building. But since the city is in a deficit, to continue to pour money down a rat hole (literally) makes no sense. How you relate politicians stealing with preserving the bank or anything else......beyond me.

Ana

Can you tell me why the City is in a deficit?  Have we always been in a deficit?  If not, how long have we been in a deficit?  Why is the bank building a rat hole?  How long has it been a rat hole?
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.  - Bill Cosby

dukesdad

We've lived here 10 years it's been a rat hole the whole time. Why? I suppose because it's abandoned and rats live in abandoned buildings. Did you take the tour a couple of years ago? They didn't even clean the dead rats out before they let people through the building.
I don't know why the city is in a deficit, overspending, the economy, politicians afraid to raise taxes....feel free to add to the list.

Nazerac

Quote from: Bonster on November 11, 2008, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: OakParkSpartan on November 11, 2008, 12:08:09 PM
Lovero wants to effectively do away with the crime free housing ordinance by making it voluntary (and apply it to single family homes).  Why in the world would you want to make it easier for criminals to live here???

He says it's because "landlords are not solidly behind this," which is rather ignorant if you ask me; it's not their decision. 
I do, however, like the idea of adding all (including single family rentals) to the mix if resources are made available by this. 



The problem we have, unfortunately, is tracing a lot of problems to certain properties.  I think a lot of the crime by those from Cicero, Austin, et al is due to them hanging around ne'er-do-wells who rent here.


I may support that if it is two citations any 12 months, not six months AND
All other properties owned by that landlord would also fall under the ordinance  AND
what happens after a tenant leaves?  When a new tenant comes in, all proporties of that landlord are still under the ordinance.

If no visits/citations occur of 24 months, then the properties no longer fall under the ordinance.

This might work because it will target scumlords.  The landlords would try as much as possible not to fall under the burdensom ordinance, and therefore not rent to problem tenants to start with.  However, it might be a nightmare to enforce, how are you going to find out all the properties owned by the scumlords?


OakParkSpartan

It is an interesting proposal, in that it is doomed to fail as Lovero proposes.  No way the city has enough people to do the inspections.  It would be an ordinance without any teeth. 
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato

Terri

Here's the thing, I could care less whose idea the Crime Free Housing was.  I do know the program has been highly successful in other communities for deterring and reducing crime.  Compromise, do whatever it takes, just get it done.  The nonsense about hiring an inspector looks like a stall tactic IMO, the landlord fees will pay for the inspector.  Bite the bullet and get the program rolling. 

Ted


Here are some notes from tonight's city council meeting:

1. Mainstreet program - Alderman Erickson read a long statement (the reading lasted about 10 minutes) about Berwyn's Main Street program, during which he accused Alderman Skryd of poor management of the program; driving away the former director of Main Street; hiring the current director as a political favor even though the current director does not meet the experience criteria set by the board of directors; hiring the current director by "annointing him" rather than following the by-laws; driving away board members who were involved in Main Street; and alleging that Alderman Skryd suggested that the organization just say it had been "designated" by the state of Illinois when it had not.  Erickson then asked for all documentation of Main Street, including its by-laws and suggested that all material be forwarded on to the States Attorney's office.

  Alderman Chapman made a motion to ignore Erickson's agenda item because it had already been voted on at the October 14 city council meeting. Erickson responded that at the October 14 city council meeting Alderman Skryd was not present and that the city council had agreed that Alderman Skryd should answer Alderman Erickson's questions. The motion to ignore Alderman Erickson's agenda item because it had already been brought up at the October 14 city council meeting passed, with Lovero, Chapman and Skryd voting to ignore the agenda item; Aldermen Weiner and (I think) Day voting Present; Alderman Phelan voting Nay, saying he wanted to hear what Erickson had to say.  Erickson read his communication as part of his vote, since it was obvious the motion to ignore the communication was going to pass.


2. Electoral Board lawyers - The city clerk put an item on the agenda to re-hire the law firm used to be headed by Matt Delort and which had been the lawyer for the city electoral board for over a decade. The Mayor then stated he was using  "Rule 28" to take it off the agenda.  Apparently, the mayor wants to replace the Delort law firm with the Odelson law firm, which is the city's lawyers.

  Alderman Lovero then stated he was making a motion to deny the city clerk's request and that there was no reason for the mayor to use Rule 28.  The mayor stated he still wanted to use Rule 28 because he did not want it voted on.   Alderman Lovero stated that he had had a "discussion" with Burt Odelson and decided that it was OK for the city to use the Odelson law firm as the law firm for the electoral board as well.  Alderman Ramos objected, saying that the reason the city had always used an independent law firm for the electoral board was to avoid conflict of interest, since the city's law firm would have an interest in its recommendations to the electoral board.

  Eventualy, the mayor "withdrew" his use of Rule 28 and the motion by Lovero to deny the city clerk's request to use the Delort law firm as the electoral board's attorney passed by a vote of 7 to 1 with the only Nay vote being Alderman Ramos.

  I think Alderman Ramos was correct on this one.  I would prefer that the electoral board have an independent law firm who is an expert of election law and is not the city's law firm.  I also think it is a conflict of interest.


3. Feds want Berwyn to give back $750K - The federal government has audited the use of federal forfuture money from drug traffickers and have found that the city of Berwyn violated the use of those funds in 2004 and 2005.  The expenditures were not to exceed 15% of the total amount; the expenditures were not to include payment of salaries and the money was supposed to be spent on drug prevention programs.  In 2004 and 2005, the money was spent on senior programs and computers for the schools and, as Chief Kushner stated in his presentation, apparently the federal goverment does not think Berwyn has a drug problem amongst its seniors.

  There was an interesting exchange between Alderman Lovero and Chief Kushner.  Alderman Lovero asked how the federal goverment found out about how the money was used. Chief Kushner replied that the former Finance Director Stephanie sent the audit information to the federal government and that was how they found out. To which Alderman Lovero replied that the city should have made sure the audit information sent to the federal government was seen to be in compliance before the audit information was sent.

  Alderman Lovero claimed that the agenda item was politically motivated. Alderman Chapman asked why it was even on the agenda, since it had no relevance to the city council ???  The Mayor replied that he thought it was important for the city council to know that the federal government was asking for $750,000.  Alderman Chapman stated that the city council had no control over how the police department spent the drug money and implied it was not the city council's responsibility to get involved?


4. Higher taxes for water and garbage - Waste Management is raising the rates to pick up garbage by 5% and the city of Chicago is raising its rate on the city of Berwyn to use Lake Michigan water by 8% so the city wants to pass these increases on to the tax payers.  The 5% Waste Management increase was passed. The water rate increase was deferred because there was some confusion over whether the rate increase was 8% or 10%.


5. Police union statement - In the open forum, the police union read a statement complaining about the city of Berwyn.  First, the union leader claimed that the city had cut some jobs and made other cutbacks and  stated that the city's financial crisis was an allegation by the mayor.  The statement also said that the city was playing politics with the promotions of some police officers because of their political affiliations. The statement also took Alderman Erickson to task for putting on the city council agenda the grievance filed by a police officer, saying that the union contract required that all grievances be kept private.


6. Emannuel Bible Church construction - The construction at Emmanuel Bible Church has apparently violated the American's for Disability Act. The construction company hired by Emmanuel Bible Church constructed parking that was contrary to what the city approved. The church admitted that the construction company went "off-plan". Alderman Ramos made a motion to allow the construction to remain as is. The mayor pointed out that the city could not do that, since ADA was federal law and the city could not willfully ignore federal law.

  Eventually, it was decided that the church would sit down with the building department to discuss 2 other alternatives that would comply with ADA and, if one of those alternatives was acceptable, the church would un-do whatever it was they did that violated the ADA.


7. $400K for Buona Beef - The city voted to provide $400,000 to Buona Beef out of the Roosevelt Road TIF fund.  Several aldermen were concerned because the $400K represented a large chunk taken out of the TIF fund (it sounded like more than half) and they were worried that money would not be available for the Roosevelt Streetscape project.  Alderman Phelan also raised the point that the $400K represented more than 50% of the constructions costs and that TIF funds provided should not be more than 50% of the construction costs.  The BDC person stated that they expected enough property taxes to be collected this year to replenish the TIF fund for the Roosevelt Streetscape project.  The council passed the motion to provide $400K to Buona Beef for construction.

  The vote was 7 to 1 approving with Alderman Erickson voting Nay (which is an interesting vote, since this is his ward.)


8. Parking garage - The city council voted to spend $6.8 million dollars to build a parking garage in the depot district. The mayor stated that this was something he had been working on since the time when he was alderman of the 1st ward.


9. Salerno's - The city council referred to legal a request by Salerno's to change its liquor license to allow more people in the restaurant. Alderman Chapman stated that by removing tables and chairs and turning the restaurant into a dance club, Salerno's was violating the spirit of the restaurant liquor license law because, by removing tables and chairs, it was no longer acting as a restaurant and that Salerno's should be seeking an entertainment license, not an increased capacity on their liquor license.  The agenda item was sent to legal.

 
10. Methadone clinic referendum - Alderman Chapman made a motion to require that the city attorney provide a written statement about why an ordinance was not presented to the city council to put a referendum on the ballot that would allow the zoning of certain types of medical facilities.  The city attorney responded that an ordinance was not required to put a referendum on the ballot and that he had provided the text of the referendum to the city clerk, which the legal department had already reviewed and approved. The city attorney stated that he had expected the city clerk to present the referendum to the city council for a vote.

  Alderman Chapman replied that the motion clearly stated that the referendum was referred to the legal department, not to the city clerk.  Alderman Weiner asked why Alderman Chapman herself did not follow up at the August city council meetings and did not bring up the referendum herself if she had noticed that the referendum was not on the agenda to be voted on. Alderman Weiner also accused Alderman Chapman of bringing up the issue only because she read about it on Berwyn Talk Forum, to which Alderman Chapman replied that she heard about it from constituents.

  Alderman Erickson amended the motion to ask the city attorney to create a resolution for the city council to put the referedum on the April ballot. The motion to request a written explanation from the legal department and the amendment to request the legal department present the referendum to the city council to put on the April ballot both passed 8 to 0.


11. Demolition of house near 16th street fire station - The city council approved the demolition of a house near the 16th street fire station. Alderman Chapman complained that the city paid too much for the property and that the appraisers used by the city had appraised the house at too high of a cost.  One of the city attorneys angrily responded to Alderman Chapman's statement, saying that the hiring of the appraiser was above board and that the price paid of the house was similar to the prices of nearby houses.


12. Other news - The bank buldings on Cermak and Oak Park and on Windsor and Oak Park were designated as local historical landmarks; the council approved extending the city's credit line by $2 million dollars so it can pay its bills; the Berwyn Centenniel made a profit of a few thousand dollars; the multi-housing inspection ordinance was referred to committee;.

  Finally, there was a very nice Veteran's Day commeration before the council meeting started, with Alderman Day playing Taps on his bugle and members of audience who had served in the military saluting.  Bob Soucek asked in open forum why there was no commeration plaque honoring the Berwyn residents who had died in war. Frank Amaro replied that the park district was going to create a plaque in Proksa Park but they were having a hard time collecting the names.  To which Bob Soucek replied that he knew some who had all the names.

Bonster

#17
Alderman Weiner also accused Alderman Chapman of bringing up the issue only because she read about it on Berwyn Talk Forum, to which Alderman Chapman replied that she heard about it from constituents.

...and the constituents read about it on Berwyn Talk Forum, and...
   ... "Shit ton of beer being served here soon!"

Bonster

#18
  Chief Kushner replied that the former Finance Director Stephanie sent the audit information to the federal government and that was how they found out. To which Alderman Lovero replied that the city should have made sure the audit information sent to the federal government was seen to be in compliance before the audit information was sent.
  Alderman Lovero claimed that the agenda item was politically motivated. Alderman Chapman asked why it was even on the agenda, since it had no relevance to the city council   The Mayor replied that he thought it was important for the city council to know that the federal government was asking for $750,000.  Alderman Chapman stated that the city council had no control over how the police department spent the drug money and implied it was not the city council's responsibility to get involved?



Oh!  A conflict of interest within the DCoB? and in public!

Lovero says this should have gone thru the CITY first (to massage the numbers his party was responsible for, perhaps??).
Yet... Chapman says there is no reason for this to go through city council.    I understand "City" and "City Council" can be two different things, but they're treading murky waters here. 

See... It's a damn GOOD thing this went thru City Council.  How the hell else would we have found out about it?

"Politically motivated?"  
Lovero is exposing his (party's) hand.  IF he's so cock sure the "D"CoB is "different" than the BRDO, he should have nothing at all to worry about. 
He easily could have abandoned the "Berwyn Democratic" tag, but he's opted to rely on it...good luck with that, Bob. 
   ... "Shit ton of beer being served here soon!"

OakParkSpartan

It was a former director who she claimed she "anointed", not the current.  The current has not been to training, which is where the incident took place.  Erickson's statement was factually correct for the most part.  Nothing major that he got wrong.

Chapman seemed to insinuate that the appraisal for that house to be torn down was incorrect.  I'm guessing she voted for it when it was initially approved.

What would the "conflict" be with the city firm being the same as the election firm?  I'm not clear on that.

Lovero and Chapman were in full CYA mode regarding the Fed money.  These expenditures took place during the time Marzullo was Chief.  Chief Kushner said in all his years of handling forfeiture money (he was responsible for it in CPD), he'd never received a letter such as this one.  Shouldn't the police chief (which I'm guessing Lovero voted to approve) have made sure the funds were used correctly, not the finance director?  Also, if these audits were submitted years ago, that would have been under the Shaugnessy (DCOBRDO) administration.  Hard to pin that one on OC.  Chapman went on about not being able to approve expenditures from the forfeiture funds...OC and Chief Kushner pointed out that federal regulations governed in this case, not local ordinances.  

I didn't recall the Police rep saying they had cut jobs.  

Seems like a lot of money for Buona.  They are getting 54% rather than 50%.  Hopefully the parking situation can be addressed during the remodel.

The whole church thing seemed odd, as it was really their own behavior that got them into trouble.  

The Salerno's license item is interesting.  I've wondered the same thing as Chapman.  Namely, that if you have a liquor license for a restaurant, how do you shut down the kitchen and quit acting as a restaurant, yet maintain the license?  Salerno's isn't the only place in town doing this.
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -- Plato