1/13/2009 City Council Meeting

[Bonster]

This is a good way to reflect upon our youth how the grownups handle their city business.

Then they had to listen to Nona and Bobby...OH BOY!

[FedUp]

This is a good way to reflect upon our youth how the grownups handle their city business.

Then they had to listen to Nona and Bobby...OH BOY!

Not much different huh?

[Bonster]

This is a good way to reflect upon our youth how the grownups handle their city business.

Then they had to listen to Nona and Bobby...OH BOY!

Not much different huh?

My favorite quote was from a big supporter of the DCoB...paraphrased: "They're both nuts.  Truthfully, I can't tell the difference between Mike (OC) and Nona - they're the same goddamn person, only one's a female."

(They were alluding to their politics, not looks)

[FedUp]

Bonster,
Picture a side by side silhouette of the 2......

[Ted]

This fireman is not or does not want to sue the city. When he got hurt he reported it to the powers that be and the HR director told him according to the insurance co. it is a workmans comp claim. So to say the fireman wants to sue and collect w.c. is incorrect yet OC cries foul. The last thing this fireman wanted was a workmans comp claim. 

  The fireman had the option of not bringing a law suit against the city.  No one put a gun to his head and say "sue the city". If the fireman did indeed file a law suit, that means the fireman WANTS to sue the city.  He had the option to not sue the city and he chose not to use that option.

  If the fireman is suing simply to get workman comp, then why also sue for pain and suffering?  And, why not just take sick days if it was a minor injury?

  How serious was the injury?  Was it something like a groin pull where the guy is out for a couple of days?  Or is it something where he will be out for months?

  Ted

[Ted]

My bad Ted,
During open forum while a fireman was reading a grievance the Mayor looked to be asleep and completely incoherent as to what was going on. This was noticed by all the boys on the b-ball team. Asking each other if he was sleeping. This is a good way to reflect upon our youth how the grownups handle their city business.

  OK.  I thought you were saying he was not paying attention during the proclamation for the bball team.

  It seems like every city council meeting that I have attended for the past 6 months, some employee representing one of the unions complains during the open forum portion of the city council meeting. It's become a regular occurence during the open forum.

  Maybe that's why the mayor look bored.  It's the same song over and over and over again. For example, Jerry Marzullo, representing the fire fighters, registered the union's complaint about the funding of the pension funds at the 12/23 meeting.   

  Ted

 

[ZORBA]

Ted,

Workers comp in this instance is not a bad deal for the city.

The city basically has tort immunity by paying wc insurance.

Good tradeoff, imo.

So they settle this claim for whatever minimal amount its worth and thats the end of the story.

Now if you want to debate the propriety (ethical or otherwise) of this specific fireman filing a claim, that's another story altogether....

Maybe Felix can chime in and tell us how this is a good example of why the City should settle potential claims against it asap.

With respect to OC, his reaction is understandable ..... the city has to pay out for an "injury" that occurred on exercise equipment SOMEBODY ELSE brought to the fire station. The logical response is to remove the equipment, but then you may have that good ole CBA standing in the way. So you leave the equipment there, pay out for the injury accrued during exercise, as that too is "in the scope of employment" , and basically eliminate any other/additional potential liability the City may have.  

I wonder if the City would be liable per wc if Felix had, for example, cut his finger at his alternate home/firehouse opening a can of San Marzano tomatoes (from Tonini's, of course) to make pasta gravy for the boys dinner?

[Sandy]

Can anyone tell me why the North Berwyn Park District asked the City Recreation to not fund Maple pool?

[Ted]

Can anyone tell me why the North Berwyn Park District asked the City Recreation to not fund Maple pool?

  I do not remember any explanation being given.

Ted

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

I agree with OC removing the exercise equipment because of the workmens comp lawsuit.  I would say it's up to employees to stay in physically fit condition if that is what is required for a job.  Maybe reimbursement for a health club membership or a collateral agreement with a health club facility would work and take the city out of the line of fire.  Whatever the case, I would say exercise equipment is not a required part of the job.  I would consider it a perk.

[Bear]

Well let me put it to you this way....

Firefighters are at the station for 24 hr. periods,
they do have free time after the work day, but many times put in
a much longer day than you or I do because of calls.

During that free time, I am very glad that they are exercising
to stay in shape...Remember...They may have to pull you or my fat arse
out of the third floor of a house if it ever caught fire...

I would be very pleased if the firefighter escorting me down the ladder had arms like Arnold...My odds of making it to the ground in one piece would greatly increase.

[ZORBA]

That's great.

So physical fitness is a prerequisite?

Are there any mandatory physical fitness requirements for FD members, or is it basically a matter of choice?

[Bear]

That's great.

So physical fitness is a prerequisite?

Are there any mandatory physical fitness requirements for FD members, or is it basically a matter of choice?

Yes, and I would not want a fat Greek like you to ATTEMPT a rescue...

But I would be pleased if you made me dinner...

Come on Zobra...certain jobs have physical requirement...

There is a young gal who is an EMT with BFD...She is buff...
and can manage any patient out quickly in any given situation...

Would you or your family be concerned if there was an event
and your responder had difficulty/slow response time due to physical limitation?

I think so.

[Bonster]

Firefighters are at the station for 24 hr. periods,
they do have free time after the work day, but many times put in
a much longer day than you or I do because of calls.

All the more reason not to be exercising.  They should be conserving their energy to save our fat asses.

[ZORBA]

Yes, and I would not want a fat Greek like you to ATTEMPT a rescue...

I asked a f@#$in question, you pasty faced alcoholic buck toothed Mr. Ed look alike pansy.......

Whether or not I am in shape is irrelevant... I'm no longer being paid to be in shape ... but at least at SOME point in my life I WAS in shape, good enough to play NCAA Division I ball ....

... and I'm still in good enough shape to run circles around you in the sport of your choice, excluding of course 12 oz curling and salami slamming ....

But I would be pleased if you made me dinner...

I'll get to it as soon as you fetch my coffee and finish shining my shoes.

Would you or your family be concerned if there was an event
and your responder had difficulty/slow response time due to physical limitation?

My family would be VERY concerned if our survival depended on the fitness level of CERTAIN members of the Berwyn (and other towns) FD.

Now go have another Hamms and shut your trap.

The question remains, and its a serious one-are there any physical fitness REQUIREMENTS (initial and/or ongoing) of the BFD?

I'm asking because I don't know.

[OakParkSpartan]

That's great.

So physical fitness is a prerequisite?

Are there any mandatory physical fitness requirements for FD members, or is it basically a matter of choice?

Yes, and I would not want a fat Greek like you to ATTEMPT a rescue...

But I would be pleased if you made me dinner...

Come on Zobra...certain jobs have physical requirement...

There is a young gal who is an EMT with BFD...She is buff...
and can manage any patient out quickly in any given situation...

Would you or your family be concerned if there was an event
and your responder had difficulty/slow response time due to physical limitation?

I think so.

EMT's are not employees of the city.

And, you are telling me these guys follow such a strict training regime that their fitness will suffer because they can't work out during one 24 hour period? 

If they need to be fit, they should be required to pass some fitness test.  Run a distance, climb several flights of stairs etc.  I've seen some of the guys at council.  You cannot be serious that they are all working out.

[ZORBA]

EMT's are not employees of the city.

Minor detail for the bumbling idiot...

If they need to be fit, they should be required to pass some fitness test.  Run a distance, climb several flights of stairs etc.  I've seen some of the guys at council.  You cannot be serious that they are all working out.

That's what I'm asking. Are they REQUIRED to continuously stay in some sort of shape?

[ZORBA]

So what REQU

[Bear]

Yes, and I would not want a fat Greek like you to ATTEMPT a rescue...

I asked a f@#$in question, you pasty faced alcoholic buck toothed Mr. Ed look alike pansy.......

Whether or not I am in shape is irrelevant... I'm no longer being paid to be in shape ... but at least at SOME point in my life I WAS in shape, good enough to play NCAA Division I ball ....

... and I'm still in good enough shape to run circles around you in the sport of your choice, excluding of course 12 oz curling and salami slamming ....

But I would be pleased if you made me dinner...

I'll get to it as soon as you fetch my coffee and finish shining my shoes.

Would you or your family be concerned if there was an event
and your responder had difficulty/slow response time due to physical limitation?

My family would be VERY concerned if our survival depended on the fitness level of CERTAIN members of the Berwyn (and other towns) FD.

Now go have another Hamms and shut your trap.

The question remains, and its a serious one-are there any physical fitness REQUIREMENTS (initial and/or ongoing) of the BFD?

I'm asking because I don't know.

Damn zobra...I have no clue how to answer this deal...

You are a hurting dude man, I hope you get some help.

[Berwyn Patsy]

Maybe Andy's job should offer some Anger Management Counseling?
Why is it, you can call people names, insult them to high heaven, be SO mean
spirited and then when your referred to as a Big Fat Greek, out of shape no doubt,
you blow a gasket?  It is not good for your mental or physical health.