New Church 32nd & Clinton

[~LL~]

I just got a complaint today from one of my coworkers that lives in that area.  Apparently, the church-goers look like "punks" and they hangout in the area way later than they should and all over the neighbors' property.  Parking, needless to say, is a "HORRIBLE" definite problem.

Trust me, it's a freakin' nightmare.

The neighborhood calls the Cops almost every night.

So far our new 3rd ward alderperson has been unresponsive. Stay tuned...

The noise and loiterers are one thing; the parking problems for residents is another.  This group is not endearing itself to area residents.  Even so, I've really not observed a huge following there myself.  What days/nights are most active?

[Scouts Honor]

"So far our new 3rd ward alderperson has been unresponsive."

How unfortunate.

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

"So far our new 3rd ward alderperson has been unresponsive."

How unfortunate.

It's a church that obviously recently changed denominations obviously - not a nightclub with new owners.  Parking is probably an issue because of the lack of a parking lot.  I have taken my children to Vacation Bible School at Concordia Lutheran around the corner throughout many years and yes, it's a problem there too at that time.  As far as the "punks" comment, I personally feel that religion is a good thing to be infused into some of these "punks". 

Was the actual building sold or is the church being rented out to this particular (Victory Outreach) group?

Blaming it on the new alderman doesn't seem right to me - she certainly didn't sell or rent to them.  Even the Mayor obviously is aware of the situation.  Hopefully, they will get the message that being a good neighbor is the right thing to do and the situation will be rectified in due time.

[buzz]

"So far our new 3rd ward alderperson has been unresponsive."
   
What do you want done ?  This doesn't sound like something we want to rush into.  We can't trample on any religious freedoms; so the choir can sing at any volume they like.  Can't restrict evening services either.
As for the loitering, how do you know this hasn't already been discussed with the Mayor and the PD ?
Parking ?  Wasn't parking a problem when the previous worshippers were in full attendance ?
I'd suggest calling the Mayor.  He did comment at a previous council meeting that he was aware of "problems".  Now, what's he going to do about the "problems"

[Scouts Honor]

how do you know this hasn't already been discussed with the Mayor and the PD ?

I know for a FACT that this is being taken care of by the mayor and BPD.

I was amazed that a resident of the 3rd ward was ignored by
the 3rd ward alderman in this high profile case that affected MANY 3rd ward residents.... Or not.

Why did the mayor and BPD have to do the 3rd ward's aldermans job?

[Bonster]

"I know for a FACT that this is being taken care of by the mayor and BPD."

Yeah, they're doing a great job, aren't they?

Ana: "I just got a complaint today from one of my coworkers that lives in that area. "
Beans: "Trust me, it's a freakin' nightmare.  The neighborhood calls the Cops almost every night."

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

how do you know this hasn't already been discussed with the Mayor and the PD ?

I know for a FACT that this is being taken care of by the mayor and BPD.

I was amazed that a resident of the 3rd ward was ignored by
the 3rd ward alderman in this high profile case that affected MANY 3rd ward residents.... Or not.

Why did the mayor and BPD have to do the 3rd ward's aldermans job?

Ditto!!!!!!

[Bonster]

how do you know this hasn't already been discussed with the Mayor and the PD ?

I know for a FACT that this is being taken care of by the mayor and BPD.

I was amazed that a resident of the 3rd ward was ignored by
the 3rd ward alderman in this high profile case that affected MANY 3rd ward residents.... Or not.

Why did the mayor and BPD have to do the 3rd ward's aldermans job?

Ditto!!!!!!

What would the alderman do, anyway?  You got it:  Go to the Mayor and the BPD!

[buzz]

What would the alderman do, anyway?  You got it:  Go to the Mayor and the BPD!

Thank You.
Of course if it was Nona, midnight stake-out, guns a' blazing, much much grand standing.  Hooplah too !  She'd be miffed, she would.
Yada yada yada.

[Bonster]

Actually, she didn't do it, either.  The BFD broke that party up.

[Ana]

All's well that ends well.  Marge Paul is an excellent Alderwoman.  And my co-worker says it is quieter.

[Beans]

All's well that ends well.  Marge Paul is an excellent Alderwoman.  And my co-worker says it is quieter.

Depends who you ask I guess.

Alderperson still MIA.

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Victory Outreach: http://www.victoryoutreach.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFHY7LMock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4VNtMZHfmI

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/august/16.40.html?start=1

"Victory Outreach is a ministry that exclusively reaches out to drug addicts and gang members.": http://www.rickross.com/reference/victory_outreach/victory_outreach1.html

[~LL~]

I believe there were problems with that 'church' again last night -- which PD was called upon to resolve - again. 

[tgoddess]

More on Victory Outreach...
http://www.rickross.com/reference/victory_outreach/victory_outreachvisitor.html

[Beans]

I believe there were problems with that 'church' again last night -- which PD was called upon to resolve - again. 

You are correct.

Nightclub atmosphere.

[Scouts Honor]

Damn...What a mess, legal and otherwise. How special of the
last church to sell to this organization and totally
shaft the neighborhood they served.

[Bonster]

"Victory Outreach is a ministry that exclusively reaches out to drug addicts and gang members.": http://www.rickross.com/reference/victory_outreach/victory_outreach1.html

"ONCE VICTORY OUTREACH ENTERS A CITY WE WILL NEVER LEAVE THAT CITY"

[Ana]

They've obviously not confronted Berwyn types.  

[OakParkSpartan]

It is a sticky problem.

City government can't really say "we don't like your religion, so get out". 

[Beans]

It is a sticky problem.

City government can't really say "we don't like your religion, so get out". 

Absolutely true, that would be against everything we're about (American that is). However, at what point does a "church" cross the line and does not behave as a good neighbor and would risk not being able to do business in a town? How much say does a neighborhood have?