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« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2009, 12:57:27 PM » |
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After reading this, I just had to drive past it yesterday as I was going to be in the area a couple of times anyway. I saw nothing that seemed out of place for a large, vibrant congregation of families. We could hear no loud music either on the way out or back and the only other sounds we heard was the laughter and squeals of children. Lighten up! Most of the protestant churches in this area have some sort of outreach going on. It's just that they are quieter for the most part.
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« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2009, 01:07:25 PM » |
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I drove by Sunday around 1pm and saw one group of kids dressed for church and a guy crossing the street. I'll try back next week at a different time.
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« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2009, 06:15:03 PM » |
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Sounds like a church to me.
Can't blame Class for that one - that description did sound like any other church! No, she can hear it ! She can actually hear it. Just like she can see Berwyn from her front porch. Huh? I thought she could see your front porch with the use of a red light camera? |
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« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2009, 08:04:00 PM » |
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After reading this, I just had to drive past it yesterday as I was going to be in the area a couple of times anyway. I saw nothing that seemed out of place for a large, vibrant congregation of families. We could hear no loud music either on the way out or back and the only other sounds we heard was the laughter and squeals of children. Lighten up! Most of the protestant churches in this area have some sort of outreach going on. It's just that they are quieter for the most part.
Was this on WEDNESDAY 9/16? You must have missed, or didn't pay attetion to the men pacing, clapping and singing on the top step of the church. Driving by, well I can drive by and only hear what is going on at the time. Park, if you can find a spot, and hang around for awhile, you will hear what we hear. My friends can hear the service & music in there apartments in the building on 32nd & Clinton. I hear the service and music on Home Ave behind the church. This ebbs and tides from 7-8:30/9pm. depending on when the services end. Lighten up?  Laughter & squeals of children??? When services end, anytime from 8:30-9pm on a Wednesday night, these children are screaming and yelling, not laughter and squeals. The sad thing is, no supervision with these kids. A large,vibrant congregation of families....so....why the heck are these school aged kids up so late? |
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« Reply #104 on: January 09, 2010, 02:37:00 PM » |
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Good Afternoon, Everyone.
As an Elder of the Presbyterian Church of Berwyn, due to declining membership, we were forced to move out and sell the property at 32rd St and Clinton Av. We now worship at First Lutheran Church of Berwyn [31st St and Euclid Av] Sundays at 9:00am.
Any problems with the new owners should be taken up with Berwyn itself. If membership of PCB at the old site increased, we would not have had to move, but parking would have become a problem again.
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« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2010, 01:10:26 PM » |
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Good Afternoon, Everyone.
As an Elder of the Presbyterian Church of Berwyn, due to declining membership, we were forced to move out and sell the property at 32rd St and Clinton Av. We now worship at First Lutheran Church of Berwyn [31st St and Euclid Av] Sundays at 9:00am.
Any problems with the new owners should be taken up with Berwyn itself. If membership of PCB at the old site increased, we would not have had to move, but parking would have become a problem again.
Is there any way we can get you guys to move back in? At least PCB was quiet and didn't bring in bad element. Sorry to see PCB go. I guess you never appreciate what you got 'till it's gone. |
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« Reply #106 on: January 13, 2010, 01:23:49 PM » |
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Good Afternoon, Everyone.
As an Elder of the Presbyterian Church of Berwyn, due to declining membership, we were forced to move out and sell the property at 32rd St and Clinton Av. We now worship at First Lutheran Church of Berwyn [31st St and Euclid Av] Sundays at 9:00am.
Any problems with the new owners should be taken up with Berwyn itself. If membership of PCB at the old site increased, we would not have had to move, but parking would have become a problem again.
Is there any way we can get you guys to move back in? At least PCB was quiet and didn't bring in bad element. Sorry to see PCB go. I guess you never appreciate what you got 'till it's gone. What ever became of the meeting with Lovero and Castrogiovanni? |
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« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2010, 02:37:40 PM » |
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If the churches membership would have been stronger like it was in the 60s, we would not have had to move out.
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« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2010, 08:57:32 PM » |
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Catholicscomehome.org is doing well. You should have tried advertising !
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« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2010, 05:54:38 AM » |
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Catholics come home...Hmmm...Different situation then the Presbyterian sec...
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« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2010, 09:49:31 AM » |
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Catholicscomehome.org is doing well. You should have tried advertising !
Good advertising always helps business. We're all just hoping that Victory Outreach's business tanks just like the Presbyterians did, then they can just move along and then we can get our neighborhood back. Maybe they'll get tired of their commute from the city and membership falls off. Just trying to be positive. In the meantime, we're not looking forward to the warm weather when they swing their doors open so we can hear their spew and then "congregate" for hours on end. Absolutely RUDE a$$ people! Even their music sucks - that's the salt in the open wound. |
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« Reply #111 on: February 08, 2010, 05:38:16 PM » |
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Well, that meeting didn't fare very well. Nothing has changed. The mayors comment was to be considerate of this group and in return they would be considerate of the neighborhood. That alot of churches in Berwyn are on residential streets. Yes, but, they respect the neighborhood. Why doe this church group need to use loud speakers and microphones to attract attention? That the service and music is so loud it can be heard from outside the building. Also, his comment of just because someone looks like a gang-banger doesn't mean they are a gang-banger. Well, how the heck do you tell the difference?
The so-called music group that comes into practice in the evenings, every Tuesday and Thursday,are so loud, you can hear them across the street on Clinton and across the street on 32nd. What is the reason for this? And this is now, with the windows and doors closed. The services on Wednesday evening are just as bad. I realize there are bigger problems in Berwyn, but to let this group be on the back burner is not right. I do call the police, but, for some reason it still goes on. People in this neighborhood need to call and complain about the volume of the music, this group are jerks and continue to blast this horrible music.
They need to be held accountable and comply with the city noise disturbance law.
I am at a loss for why this is allowed to continue and why the police don't take this seriously.
Remember, most of this congregation is from Chicago, have no ties to Berwyn, don't contribute a penny to our city. Hell, the owners of the building don't even pay RE taxes to the city as they are considered a non-profit group. Yet, they can disturb and disrupt a once quiet area.
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« Reply #112 on: February 16, 2010, 12:17:53 AM » |
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With all due respect, this is one of the main reasons you should really reconsider buying a house that is next to; a strip mall, bank, grocery store, school, park, hospital,railroad tracks, or a church. While I understand that the church you speak of was always quiet that should have brought you some concern! For a church that is too quiet is a church that is not doing good business. Churches are businesses(all tax free money, after all how can you tax God). It is unfortunate that the "church" now has an "unfavorable" congregation. But thats the risk you took when you bought that lovely home next to the big church. Berwyn is a suburb with a city feel. This is a city, and unfortunately a city is noisy. I live close to st. Leonard's which has a school as well. The hospital is only two blocks away, which is a magnate for ambulances with there blazing sirens! The railroad tracks are 3 blocks away with their bells and whistles. Heck, my neighbor has a dog that seems to bark at nothing all day long. Berwyn is a city! If you didn't know it then you know it now! You want quiet, move to the country! But believe me good neighbor, you will miss the city that we call Berwyn.
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« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2010, 06:59:10 AM » |
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Couldn't have said it better! It's almost as crazy as the people who whine about the teenagers congregating on Home Av. when they bought a house accross from the high school.
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« Reply #114 on: February 17, 2010, 10:46:33 AM » |
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With all due respect, this is one of the main reasons you should really reconsider buying a house that is next to; a strip mall, bank, grocery store, school, park, hospital,railroad tracks, or a church. While I understand that the church you speak of was always quiet that should have brought you some concern! For a church that is too quiet is a church that is not doing good business. Churches are businesses(all tax free money, after all how can you tax God). It is unfortunate that the "church" now has an "unfavorable" congregation. But thats the risk you took when you bought that lovely home next to the big church. Berwyn is a suburb with a city feel. This is a city, and unfortunately a city is noisy. I live close to st. Leonard's which has a school as well. The hospital is only two blocks away, which is a magnate for ambulances with there blazing sirens! The railroad tracks are 3 blocks away with their bells and whistles. Heck, my neighbor has a dog that seems to bark at nothing all day long. Berwyn is a city! If you didn't know it then you know it now! You want quiet, move to the country! But believe me good neighbor, you will miss the city that we call Berwyn.
Equal respect back @ ya... Good points (gee, why didn't I think about all that?). Bottom line - rude is rude. As for taxing imaginary guys in the sky...I have nothing. Rules of the land I guess. I remember a similar thought process back in the day: "America, Love It Or Leave It". |
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« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2010, 01:28:41 PM » |
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It is unfortunate that the "church" now has an "unfavorable" congregation. But thats the risk you took when you bought that lovely home next to the big church. No it isn't. I've never known a big church to draw an "unfavorable" congregation. One may assume such a risk when moving by a commercial building, but all I've ever heard from large churches is choir-y music, usually in key. I trust Beans as a musician on his assessment of the quality of their noise: Even their music sucks - that's the salt in the open wound.
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« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2010, 01:31:36 PM » |
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Well, that meeting didn't fare very well. Nothing has changed. Looks like the soothsayer was wrong: You know what, winter's right around the corner and I bet "fellowship" will start to drop off as soon as
the temperature goes south and for those that are committed, they will be indoors.
Give it some time.
The mayors comment was to be considerate of this group and in return they would be considerate of the neighborhood. That alot of churches in Berwyn are on residential streets.
Also, his comment of just because someone looks like a gang-banger doesn't mean they are a gang-banger. Well, how the heck do you tell the difference? Perhaps he's a bit more patient in dealing with ne'er-do-wells than you. The Mayor lives in "north Berwyn," (which, btw, is YOUR Berwyn) which you shit on. Keep stressing the noise part . . . |
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« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2010, 06:17:57 PM » |
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Sandy, bigolo,bonster,
I've been in this area for 20+ years and there has always been activity in this building...no problem. Never heard the services! The congregation was respectful of the area as was the use of the building. No need to defend my stance...until now. I am not happy with this Victory Outreach group settling into this area. The 1st Sunday they had a service, microphones and music so loud it could be heard on Oak Park Ave. and actually drowned out the trains on Stanley. So, is this a church that is considerate of the area? I don't think so.
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contrary to your comment, I don't shit on North Berwyn....it's all of Berwyn...just hoping that the mayor has enough juice to turn our city into a better place to live. Get business back in here, do something about all the emptiness on Ogden Ave. Get Berwyn back to a family city. Oh yeah, if I see someone that looks like a gang-banger, I'm going to assume he is.
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« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2010, 06:51:00 PM » |
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Oh yeah, if I see someone that looks like a gang-banger, I'm going to assume he is.
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« Reply #119 on: February 18, 2010, 07:46:26 AM » |
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I live basically right next to St. Leonard's and the train is a block away and MacNeal is also less than a block away. Yes, there is a noise factor but not an intrusive one and basically we are used to the common noises from all three. Once a year St. Leonard's has their Octoberfest (used to be fallfest) and they have live bands and it's quite loud. No problem once a year. But if I had to listen to that on a weekly basis I would be very less than thrilled. I would not expect that from a church regularly and don't think anyone else should especially since there has never been that level of loudness before.
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