Chief asking for overtime pay

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

I am not "mysteriously" silent, actually I just finished watching American Idol. is
that o.k. with you?
Yes, you had the answer Mrs. N., I am senile, and you are plain old nuts!

Sorry to the rest of you, I really don't get Mrs N. tonight, carry on with the topic.

Please tell me about the "small" drug bust you heard about at 34th and Wesley.  Interesting minds want to know.

[Berwynite]

I don't think I would consider any drug bust "small". Officer's
could be killed or injured, the proximity of this operation to St. Leonard
school really scares me. Who are the "thugs with guns" you refer to?

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

I don't think I would consider any drug bust "small". Officer's
could be killed or injured, the proximity of this operation to St. Leonard
school really scares me. Who are the "thugs with guns" you refer to?

Use your "imagination" and see what you come up with.

[Berwynite]

You speak of police officers that way?

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

You speak of police officers that way?

Your "imagination" runs way wilder than mine.  I have nothing but respect for police officers who respect their job and do the "right' thing when it comes to respecting the law and upholding the oath they took when sworn in.

[Berwynite]

Why are you so defensive of a drug bust. You seem to know much more than we do.

[MRS. NORTHSIDER]

Why are you so defensive of a drug bust.

How large a drug bust was it?  Let's start with that and go from there.  A felony or misdemeanor?  I heard it was a misdemeanor.

And for all those wondering - No, it wasn't me.  The only drugs I have are leftover from a nasty root canal 2 years ago (with a prescription).

[Rt. 66]

     Whatever agreement him and OC had, is null and void now, and this administration
should not be held responsible for honoring any payment.  The whole concept is
ridiculous.

Then why is your guy suggesting we pay for it?

Are you stating Bobby is ridiculous?

[OakParkSpartan]

Hush money?  There I said it.

I sincerely do not believe William Kushner can be "hushed", bought or sold for any amount of  money.

Agree.  The matter was referred to the Police and Fire Commission tonight at council.

Just a reminder, that "commission" has stated they will do what the Mayor wants, well, because he is the mayor.

[Crunchie]

Why are you so defensive of a drug bust.

How large a drug bust was it?  Let's start with that and go from there.  A felony or misdemeanor?  I heard it was a misdemeanor.

And for all those wondering - No, it wasn't me.  The only drugs I have are leftover from a nasty root canal 2 years ago (with a prescription).

If you are aware of the facts surrounding this incident, then why don't you just spit them out instead baiting people with innuendos then telling them they are wacky when they take your bait?

[Ted]

...  I think a salaried position getting OT is rather odd as well...

 I work for a company that used to pay overtime to salaried positions as well.  They stopped the practice a few years back, but when I started (back in 1978), I was paid overtime even though it was a salaried position.

  The reason, I think, was that it is a consulting company and any overtime is chargeable to the client.  Overtime was paid for positions up to the manager position.  After someone was promoted to manager, they lost overtime.

  btw, if Kushner did have an agreement to be paid for overtime, he should have gotten it in writing in his contract. And, it should have been paid during the time period that it was worked, not at the end of his contract.

 Ted

[Berwyn Patsy]

Actually Bonster, my friend,  I was thinking the Chief's thinking on trying to retrieve
any OT way after the fact and no way to prove it was an agreement of any kind was ridiculous.

[EC]

OPS:

The matter was referred to the Police and Fire COMMITTEE, not the Police and Fire Commission. They are different.

[OakParkSpartan]

OPS:

The matter was referred to the Police and Fire COMMITTEE, not the Police and Fire Commission. They are different.

Thanks EC.  I thought I heard commission...Committee makes sense.  Do you recall when they called that meeting for?

[EC]

March 24th, 6:00 PM (check the web site first, though.)

[maraire]

Mrs. N, I live on that block and I'm glad to see the drug traffic stopped. But my curiosity has been peaked. Please tell, who are the thugs with guns you speak of.

Now I'm not trying to bait anyone, it's just a statement like that needs to be clarified. What do you know that I don't about my block?

[Rt. 66]

Actually Bonster, my friend,  I was thinking the Chief's thinking on trying to retrieve
any OT way after the fact and no way to prove it was an agreement of any kind was ridiculous.

Patsy, my friend, it should follow that your guy's willingness to pay him based upon an oral agreement and email should be as well.  

 

[Cathy]

http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/berwyn/fetures/x324652977/chief-asks-for-years-of-overtime-pay



Berwyn commission to investigate chief’s back-pay request
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Berwyn Life
Posted Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:34 AM
Berwyn, IL — The Berwyn City Council will ask the Police and Fire Commission to recommend whether or not former Police Chief William Kushner should be paid for $30,865 in compensation for overtime.

Kushner says he and former Berwyn mayor Michael O’Connor had a verbal agreement that the chief would be paid for the overtime.

After Mayor Robert Lovero brought the issue to the attention of the City Council, O’Connor sent a letter to the mayor saying that no such verbal agreement ever existed.

In an interview after the City Council meeting March 9, Lovero said the council must decide who is telling the truth, a former mayor or the former police chief.

“So now there’s a question as to did it exist or not. Our policy would be not to pay it. My whole communication (with the City Council) was based on the fact that I honor agreements. But now I’m being told there is no agreement, by the very gentleman that supposedly made the agreement. So now who’s telling the truth? I don’t know,” said Lovero.

In a memorandum to members of the Berwyn City Council — which was included in the agenda packet for the March 9 meeting — Lovero wrote he can not find the agreement between O’Connor and Kushner, but he did find an old e-mail from Kushner to O’Connor that “seems to reflect that Chief Kushner’s understanding that an oral arrangement was in place.”

O’Connor wrote in his letter to the city that Kushner was the highest paid mayoral appointment.

“I never agreed to pay any of my department heads compensation for hours worked over an 8-hour day and it was understood at the time of their appointment," O’Connor's letter states.

Ald. Nona Chapman, 1st Ward, made the motion to pass the issue back to the Police and Fire Commission for their guidance.

“Since we really need to do our due diligence and receive the breakdown of the compensatory time, at this time I’d like to refer to police and fire,” she said.

Lovero said he has more information to give the Police and Fire Commission regarding the issue.

The council also approved an ordinance thanking Kushner for his service to the city and named March 9, 2010, honorary William Kushner day.


Will we ever find out what that is?

[Crunchie]

Maybe OC told Kushner he would get OT pay. Maybe he didn't. But I simply find it absurd to believe that something like this would be handled by a "verbal agreement." Also, one would think that Kushner would have tried to collect this pay starting with the day after the elections when it would have looked a lot more credible.

[n01_important]

Lovero is clouding the issue.  He's been mayor for almost a year. 

Did he not discuss OT with Kuschner and why would a commission be needed?  He as the manager of the Police Chief either agreed to OT, didn't agree to it or never discussed it.

F_ what was discussed before he took over... you would just tell Kuschner about statue of limitations.  He would know that if he discussed any lawyer worth a lick... wait, isn't he a lawyer?